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This is a request for input on software options for development, both for coding and graphic design. I'm also curious what you might use to wireframe and draft layout your sites. I'm fairly new and am hoping for some input from people in the know.

I'm on a mac and this is what I've wound up with so far.

For coding I have trialled Code, Taco HTML edit, Espresso, CSSEdit, TextWrangler, BBEdit, and a few others. TextWrangler seems quite good for a free application, however I did wind up purchasing Espresso and CSSEdit. I would say Espresso seems quite good, but I trailed Coda after purchasing Espresso and would probably have chosen Coda if I had it to do over again. I have wound up not using CSSEdit at all.

For Graphic design I have trialled loads and loads of software. I wound up with Pixelmator, GIMP, Inkscape, Blender 3D and Alchemy installed. All of these are free with the exception of Pixelmator which is a very reasonably priced pseudo alternative to Photoshop, at less than £43. I trialled Adobe Illustrator as well, and thought it was amazing. In my opinion none of the other illustration programs I trialled came close to it. There are a lot of sub £/$100 illustration options out there, but found that inkscape was more full featured than any of those, and as it's free I can't justify spending money on something that still makes me wish I had a copy of Illustrator. A big downside of inkscape is that it doesn't take advantage of full mac os integration. Like GIMP it runs in the X11 environment.

Anyway, I would be most grateful for your opinions.

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Hi I used to use komodo ide

Hi I used to use komodo ide for coding photoshop for all graphics and firefox with web developer addon measure it addon and firebug on mac

now i use coda have you tried it? and how do you compare it to espresso? thinking of trying espresso..

anyone?

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I don't do graphic design,

I don't do graphic design, but I do use Photoshop to pick apart PSDs for code.
I use TextMate and it's bundle system on a daily basis.
You can't beat typing "doctype" hitting tab and being shown the doctype options.
I also do a lot of work in WordPress, so i can type in commands like "post" and hit tab and it shows all the variables.

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I code all my pages in DOS

I code all my pages in DOS using Binary code

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CupidsToejam wrote: I code

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I code all my pages in DOS using Binary code

Pure genius! What do you use for previewing!!

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hmmm, DOS? Is that a WYSIWYG

hmmm, DOS? Is that a WYSIWYG editor? Sounds good though, I'll look into it, but ultimately I don't really want to use something that's quite so automated...

@djsounds02, give espresso a try. I think you will find that Coda is better at the moment. Espresso's library isn't as extensive or responsive as Coda's, especially working with java script or css inside an html document, it seems to confuse Espresso. Another issue is the ftp capability of Espresso is poor to put it lightly. I wind up using the firefox plugin for ftp rather than use the built in ftp of Espresso because it's extremely buggy. I think Espresso has a lot of potential, the 'sugars' concept is quite nice and the interface is very intuitive. Personally, I think the Coda developers are more responsive and the functionality built into Coda is a bit better at the moment.

I haven't tried TextMate, I'm going to download the trial tonight and give it a go, ta.

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Panda wrote: hmmm, DOS? Is

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hmmm, DOS? Is that a WYSIWYG editor? Sounds good though, I'll look into it...

You know you're old when youngsters have never heard of DOS.

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CupidsToejam wrote: Panda

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hmmm, DOS? Is that a WYSIWYG editor? Sounds good though, I'll look into it...

You know you're old when youngsters have never heard of DOS.

Laughing out loud
And there I was about to say DRDOS was so much better, and GEM streets ahead of WIN 3.1

Pandas pulling your leg methinks Wink

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I'm a PC and windows 7 wasn't

I'm a PC and windows 7 wasn't my idea, so I blew it away and installed Linux. Cool
Now for my list of open source applications, those of you who pay enormous fees for software or resort to downloading illegally should turn away now. The pain of knowing you could have supported a small village in a 3rd world country and had it named after yourself, rather then buy software may be too much to stand. The following are mostly Open Source, free and even work on Windows.
For coding I use Eclipse, and sometimes gedit I don't do much graphics work but when I do it is with the GIMP. For browsers I swap between Firefox and Chrome. I also have Opera installed and have Virtual Box installed with multiple IE versions for testing crappy browsers.

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I have been accused of having

I have been accused of having a dry sense of humour, so no running out to become a card carrying member of the geriatrics society just yet Cupid... Wink

Deuce,

wow, on first look TextMate looks very full featured, and for the price...

Tony,

I ran across Eclipse recently and I didn't fully understand what it was to be honest. I found it in a convoluted way. I was looking at flex and air, air is supported in aptana through a plug-in, and aptana can be a plug-in for Eclipse. aptana is primarily an Ajax development environment with css, html and javascript capabilities. I only got as far as having a cursory look at Eclipse, and it was a bit overwhelming. I'll have to give it a closer look though, as it seems quite powerful.

O, and Virtual Box, awesome...

I should add IE Tester is another great open source tool, for running multiple versions of IE.

Thank you all for your input so far...

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I have noticed though on coda

I have noticed though on coda my preview is absolute pants and never shows the changes so I still have to preview in firefox. Also the ftp in coda isn't very clever it has to be told to upload folders.. and when it does publish the files its not very brilliant. Maybe I need to check my settings for the ftp but the preview deffinately isnt worth using. Like when i change my html it updates fine but when im working with the css and flick to the page preview it just doesnt update like I currently have the full nav bar that doesnt display.. and its only a simple sprite menu so nothing that could confuse it! Very strange!

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Have to admit was surprised

Have to admit was surprised to hear a Linux fanboy such as Tony admit to using something like Eclipse Shock . In my experience I found Eclipse to be simply too leaden and slow typical java-esque application, looks cool but wants ALL my machines resources and memory to provide it's cool gui. Stare Aptana is also standalone not just a plugin for Eclipse, and I understood it to be more for general front end editing, preferred it over Eclipse. Personally I have never really got on with or found an IDE that I really liked or that didn't feel as though I had to spend as much time learning it as I had done with coding in general.

I stick to - for the moment - HTML-Kit on Windows as it's surprisingly feature rich for a free application, on my pen drive Notepad++ and on the Mac TextMate which I do like, but seldom really code on the Mac as I still get confused by the funny keys.

If we hang on I'm certain an illustrious member Tongue will regale us with stories of the only true editor worth using, Emu!

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I use VIM on occasion.

I use VIM on occasion. Depends on if I'm SSHed to the server for any number of reasons. I also tend to use VIM for PHP.ini edits and what not.

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Yep I use vim when sshed on,

Yep I use vim when sshed on, rather like it, do all my ini, config stuff and .htaccess when I mess up my group permissions and can't access via ftp.

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Notepad++ or notepad2

Notepad++ or notepad2 depending on the mood I'm in, and Firefox. As you can tell I don't really do a lot of web development any more Tongue

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Just to throw a monkey wrench in things, I use Microsoft Visual Studio. Tongue Truly it is the best editor I've ever come across.

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I'm still using PSPad for

I'm still using PSPad for coding and Photoshop

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EMU ≠ EMACS

I keep telling you, Hugo, EMU was an emulator application that allowed the TRS-80 to emulate the 6502 instruction set, and to remap Pet and Apple IOs to the TRS-80. Emacs is the best, most powerful, and the most widely ported text editor. Sheesh!

OK, now that you have me here, I use the most powerful text editor (see above), an X-terminal, and a battery of browsers for writing and viewing the pages. For any graphics stuff, there are GIMP, Inkscape, and Imagemagick. For site management, I have the usual assortment of utilities; ssh client, ftp client (I really enjoy the FireFTP addon for Firefox), etc..

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djsounds02, I think the

djsounds02,

I think the developers at Coda where listening to you. It seems they just released an update that attempts to address the problems you were having, almost verbatim to your post.

Cupid,

I am curious to know what you use, I really like your designs. I'm guessing you're an Adobe fan?

Anyone,

I've just started to delve into learning Javascript and there are a few other things high up on my to learn list, such as php, MySQL and gaining an understanding of wordpress as it seems to be a very popular blog and content management solution. Would it make sense, or even be essential, to become familiar with something like Eclipse as I move forward? Also, is wordpress a good content management system, or are people bending it to their will beyond it's best application, and surpassing better solutions?

Thank you again...

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Panda. As for wordpress, a

Panda. As for wordpress, a little from option A and a little from option B.
With the new 3.0 release of WP, it's become more of a content management system.
I can bend WP pretty far without any concern of having taken it too far, but I've seen people put in WordPress MU and BuddyPress and then try to turn it into a search engine for some type of group and allow for message systems, etc etc etc. It's probably feasible to accomplish in WP, but I've never seen it done in a non "hacky" fashion. Apps like that are probably better off with custom development.

I wouldn't worry yourself with raw JavaScript too much. Focus on a library. You will learn faster and the code is minimal to do some advanced stuff, even without plugins. I, and a lot of others on here, prefer jQuery. But get familiar with MooTools, YUI, and the others, at least so you can make an informed decision.

PHP and MySQL - there are a million and one good resources to learn and trillions of really bad ones. Your best bet, in my opinion, would be to find a solid book on PHP5 OOP and MySQLi and learn from that!

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Wordpress is a blog!! it's

Wordpress is a blog!! it's not a CMS, it's popular but don't mistake that for good, if you want a mature and grown up app learn to work with Drupal.

WP 3.0 taken them 9 years to get to that! young Matt should have focussed more on WP and less on becoming the 25th most important person on the Internet.

Lets not talk about BP, it's one huge buggy hack with very dubious project management in place; WPMU is now redundant replaced by WP 3.0 so now all those newbies can run multi sites without knowing what they are really doing apart from making those Sploggers lives that much easier.

I would agree with Duesce that books have more relevance in regards to something like PHP which doesn't change in the same manner as frontend diciplines; get a good PHP/MySQL beginners book to have as a reference to back up the good online resources. A good author that is well respected is Larry Ullman

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http://www.dmcinsights.com/ph

http://www.dmcinsights.com/phpmysql2/

I've got that, I know it's ancient but I've learnt a lot from it, and yes, it's by Larry Ullman Laughing out loud

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that's the copy I have;

Smile that's the copy I have; suppose it is a bit old now but think it's still relevant, haven't actually dipped into it for a long while though, but found it hugely useful initially.

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Lol, I picked up the "PHP 6

Lol, I picked up the "PHP 6 and MySQL 5" version of that book a couple weeks back. Good to know it's a reputable book/author...

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If I'm honest, I only have it because I got it cheap from a charity shop Laughing out loud

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Hi ! I've just visited this

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I've just visited this forum. Happy to get acquainted with you. Thanks.

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For coding I have trialled

For coding I have trialled Code, Taco HTML edit, Espresso, CSSEdit.For Graphic design:I used to use komodo ide for coding photoshop for all graphics

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