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Here's my favorite web dev joke/comic:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

What's yours?

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That would actually be funny

That would actually be funny if it were erm... funny?

Sadly this is so close to the truth it's painful, I'm actually in the middle of a commission that is going down this exact route. Despite having the original architecture drawn up and agreed and an extremely talented graphic designer provide the graphical look and feel also signed off, I find myself in a situation where the companies retained network engineer is leading the project! (that wasn't in the initial agreement)and sending me photoshop mocks of layout revisions and new page layouts along with emails containing copy text to be added along with literal instruction on how that needs to be placed on the page, so I'm reduced to being simply a copy & paste coding monkey, and no the situation can't be handled on normal lines that one might take with this sort of thing happening as there is a convoluted and tricky relationship between us, so I'm having to grin and bear it for the sake of keeping the peace.

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That's not humor, that's

That's not humor, that's documentary!

Even worse than dealing directly with the customer is when they hire someone that "knows the web" as a liaison. These people exist to make the world die. I worked for a company that hired a lady from a "world-class design firm" to handle their web page design. Not only did she make everything as unusable as possible, she also declined every suggestion I made. The client asked me to make it exactly as she suggest and the gun in the comic would have been turned the other way! Tongue

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The "pop" line sent a shiver

The "pop" line sent a shiver down my spine as I had that conversation not 3 weeks ago with a client. Aparantly the changes I made did make it pop, I've still no idea what I did :/

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I'm going to remember to work

I'm going to remember to work that word 'Pop' into scopes and conversations in advance of the client saying it from now on, just hope they don't ask what it means.

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Oh Geez, "pop" has made its

Oh Geez, "pop" has made its sorry way from fashion into web design. There goes the neighborhood.

Yes, that cartoon isn't a joke, it's the human condition.

Versch is right... as soon as you hear that a client has someone on their staff with web expertise, you know you're in for some #$%$#%. It means there will be constant meddling, and requests to do unpaid remakes. And the words "world class" should make anyone run for the hills... this means that they're "too good" to listen to anything you say at all!

I treasure intelligent, reasonable clients, as they're so, so rare!

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Been there, wanted to stab forks in my eyes.

I recently went through this exact thing with a client, but it was with regards to logo design. I wanted to kill him, and then myself. He's also an acquaintance outside of the professional relationship, and he has a relatively good sense of humour. Apparently I'm going to be doing his website at some point over the next year. I plan on e-mailing that cartoon to him before I start the job.

Seriously.

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I thought the geocities

I thought the geocities version looked AWESOME. Then I saw the remake and thought it was very web2.0-ey. Then I saw the remade remake and thought it was COMPLETE AWESOMSAUCE. Seriously. Who doesn't want a giant RSS button on their homepage?

I'm going to go play Name That Car Laughing out loud

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Lambinastormtroopersuit

Lambinastormtroopersuit wrote:

I recently went through this exact thing with a client, but it was with regards to logo design. I wanted to kill him, and then myself. He's also an acquaintance outside of the professional relationship, and he has a relatively good sense of humour. Apparently I'm going to be doing his website at some point over the next year. I plan on e-mailing that cartoon to him before I start the job.

Seriously.

That's not fun. I nearly torpedoed a friendship by doing a site for a friend. The prospect of seeing this person has now become somewhat awkward. Always a risk.

As it happens, I'm doing a logo design right now, but it's gratis for a charity, so that shields me from endless remakes and foolishness. But with a logo design, I think that because the client thinks it's a small job (and of course, it isn't, to make a really good one), they feel comfortable being completely unreasonable.

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Further on that, Flamenco...

In the end the client sent me his slightly altered sketched-out version of my final logo design for him, and I just DID it to be done with the whole thing. (it was a slight variation which didn't make much difference, so I didn't care at that point). In the end, I couldn't seem to get him to sign off on the job as complete... my e-mails went unanswered for ages, until I finally caught him on the phone. When I asked if we can consider the logo complete and the job closed, he said "Well... kind of... almost" and then explained that he was thinking about joining companies with another person, therefore creating a new business name, therefore needing an entirely different logo. I had to diplomatically explain that I had, in fact, completed the job that he asked me to do... and if he wants a new company logo with a completely different name and look, that would be considered an equally new job. Thankfully he agreed, and said he'd be in touch in the next few months once he found out if the merge was happening. So I just might go through this whole thing all over again.

It actually got to the point last time where I had to write a big long e-mail to him, explaining with as much tact as possible that he had to stop back-seat driving and let me do what he hired me for. Apparently he took a course in product design twenty years ago and therefore considers himself a "designer". The whole reason he hired me in the first place was because the logo he designed for himself was brutally amateurish and horrid.

Handling the situation was tricky, but rather than alienate him I think I managed to gain some respect. I think in future I'll send him that cartoon with a friendly "Let's not let this become US" caption. He's not a close friend, but I know him well enough to know that he'd laugh, and hopefully get the message. I'm just amazed at how many clients like this there really are out there!

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whoops

double post.

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Such a war-mongering lamb.

Such a war-mongering lamb. The story was worth telling again, ergo the double post?

cheers,

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L, Yes, logo design seems to

L,
Yes, logo design seems to be the sinkhole of web design. Dorks in offices having a meeting:

"We need a logo."
"What's our budget for that?"
"Maybe a hundred bucks if I can talk finance into forking it over."
"I know this guy who's a designer. I bet he can dash this off in an hour."
"Yeah, call him, it should be quick. We'll get him in here for our first 5 meetings on this topic."
"I think Beulah in HR took a webpage class once. I'll get her in on the design."
"Oh yeah, she made our company website one day with Front Page about 8 years ago. The site seems to blink when you look at it. Come to think of it, the email address on there is for a guy who's been dead for a couple years. Can you get email after you're dead?"
"What should the logo look like?"
"I don't know. But if we have enough meetings, maybe somebody will think of something."
"Should we make it look like our company sign on the front door?"
"Oh, yeah, let's do that. But it has to be edgy, and pop more."