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On another forum concerning another industry, a lot of the folks there are the DIY sort. They post a link to the web site they've made themselves and as for opinions. I often give my opinion. It's rarely favorable.

Not only is my advice taken as an offense it is also usually discounted.

I'm beginning to think I shouldn't be helping anyway as it takes potential work from a real web programmer. Of course, most web programmers are simply someone that happens to own dreamweaver (both legally obtained and pirated) so they aren't much better off.

I'm all over the place with this one. I'm pulled in many directions. On one hand I want to help, on the other I want let them hang themselves with their goofy looking sites all made with absolute positioning.

What do you think? Should I just let them live in ignorance?

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Hrump, that should be "ask

Hrump, that should be "ask for opinions" not "as for opinions". Stare

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Try to encourage improvement

Try to encourage improvement without being too harsh. Maybe point out one issue at a time and let them get over that, instead of slamming them with all the issues.
If you come across as helpful rather then critical more work is likely to come to you. The people you have helped or anyone reading the thread could recommend you.

I don't think it takes work away from real web developers. If the site is for a client and it turns out a mess then the client will go somewhere else next time, because they know the last guy didn't have the skills. They will also be prepared to pay more to have it done right.

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Thanks for the tips Tony. I

Thanks for the tips Tony. Smile

I usually provide screen shots of the mistakes which they don't see on their monitor so they think I'm nuts. Wink I try to explain that you don't make a site for your monitor but for everyone else's. No dice. It's obvious that their target audience is themselves.

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I think I'm going to point

I think I'm going to point out one thing at a time from now on. If they receive the first well, then I'll go deeper. Otherwise I'll back off. Smile