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Hey guys...

I use dreamweaver to edit my pages. I just switched over to a new programmer and it seems all his programming is heavy CSS... which I know very little.

I use the WYSISWYG side of dreamweaver..and msot of my edits are just changing text styles.

When I go to change the fonts, color, size...etc.. it either doesn't change it or asks me about making a new rule.

I've messed around with this a lot trying to figure out how to do it on my own. Every time I make a change it either changes every line on my page, or it doesn't make a change at all.

Trying to lead myself blindly I tried doing it manually. (Copying his lines for fonts and naming it differently.. then using a div tag to call it out in the html).. however everytime I did this no change was made also.

Any suggestions? (Even if it's a article you have handy).

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bobdole123434252 wrote: I use

bobdole123434252 wrote:

I use dreamweaver to edit my pages. I just switched over to a new programmer and it seems all his programming is heavy CSS... which I know very little.

We tend to call that program the "weaver of lies" around here. "WYSIWYG" editors for the web are all snares and delusion, becuase there is never any single actual "what you get" on the web. Dreamweaver is just one of a bad lot, sold on the fake promise of making web design "easy" and promising "wysiwyg" when none of them do or can deliver that.

Mind you I myself use an early version of it as a TEXT EDITOR, at which it is decent and since someone else bought it for me it was worth the money I paid.

But NEVER use DW (or any of the other "wysiwyg" programs) do layout or style a page.

"What you SEE is what you get", well, except for instance that blind people use the web all the time and they never SEE anything. And people with cell phones and iphones browse your pages on teensy tiny screens. And so on. The web is designed from the bottom up to be flexible. Web pages arenm't written on paper, and may not even be seen on a screen. "WYSIWYG" is a lie.

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Any suggestions? (Even if it's a article you have handy).

Well, my suggestion would be to drop the training wheels and go out and learn how the web actually works. And that requires starting with a proper understanding of html and how and why it works.

As with any craft truly worth learning there really are no shortcuts, I'm afraid. If you really want to learn to do web design properly, you can do worse than to start at the "html dog" site and work through ALL the tutorials in sequence, starting with the html ones. But it's hard work and will take you time and effort at first.

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For me personally it wouldn't

For me personally it wouldn't be worth my time to learn it from the ground up. I only need to make small edits. The rest is coded by my programmers. It also wouldn't be worth my time micro managing programmers to make the small edits I'm looking to do..

Which is why it was nice before I switched to programmers who only use CSS.

In HTML I find it very easy to find the resources I need to make edits (if something crazy comes up that I don't know how to do).. but for CSS I can't find anything. But that also might be because I understand HTML fairly well..i'm no guru but I know enough to look at the code and fix problems.

So is there a glossary, manual, etc something where I don't have to learn the 99% of things I don't need to know, and just pinpoint the few things I do need to know? I understand that most of the people who come to this forum could/should learn from the ground up... but my situation is a bit different.

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I'm not trying to sound or be

I'm not trying to sound or be rude, but it's going to come out sounding that way.
I read your previous post and what it says to me is

"I don't want to pay someone who knows how to do it correctly, and I don't want to learn how to do it myself."

You're probably not going to find a lot of help in this forum if you don't want to take it upon yourself to learn.

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I'd be happy to pay you to do

I'd be happy to pay you to do the edits... Do you have a skype ID?

I pay for all my programming..and I run multiple websites. However when I'm working with sales pages and I need to make small edits it's not worth my time (money isn't the factor) to sit step by step and describe every edit I want... look at it to see if it's what I want... and adjust accordingly.

Add to that a language barrier since most of my programmers are from the Philippines.

Like I said I'd be happy to pay you if you want to sit down and listen to this:

"Okay bold this line.. send it to me let me see how it looks"

"Okay good, now make this line blue, underline these 4 words, and italicize the last 4 words of the sentence.. send it to me and let me see how it looks.."

"Okay that doesn't look like I want... lets try this instead.."

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Do you not think that really

Puzzled Do you not think that really this is a question you should be putting to your programmers? I don't really understand why you have brought it here.

Have you tried explaining to your programmers how you need and expect to be able to interact with your site pages and asked that they accommodate this, along the lines you have been used to.

I understand that you want to make small edits yourself, but this requirement isn't necessarily a given. The Weaver of Lies does provide some mechanism for user editing - sadly - but you do have to have the coders understanding that they must be using that, or find another form of CMS.

Likely what is happening is that all the presentational styling has been correctly moved to external files, perhaps no longer existing as editable or easily editable rules placed inline, I'm speculating though but guessing for users to make wysiwyg edits CSS properties have to be placed inline, not the correct approach but common with wysiwyg or CMS editors.

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Typical forum

Typical forum interaction.

Have a good day.

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On not reacting like a luser

bobdole123434252 wrote:

Typical forum interaction.

Hmm. Forum 1, other people have a good experience; you don't. Forum 2, other people have a good experience; you don't. Etc., etc., etc.. (with apologies to Yul Bryner)

Are we seeing a pattern here?

Forums such as CSSCreator exist to provide a self-help community, not to do the work for the supplicant, and not to gain paid work for the other members. We are here to help you and others to learn to do for yourselves. If you believe otherwise, you have misunderstood our purpose, and it is little wonder your forum experiences have been unsatisfactory.

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After reading your reply and

After reading your reply and the following messages, I think what you want is fairly reasonable, but not attainable with Dreamweaver or similar approaches. If the programmers think it reasonable for you to use such an approach then it is they, not you IMO, who are off base.

I think what you may need is some kind of "Content Management System" (CMS) that will let you edit minor aspects of things from a web browser.

The web, alas, was not really designed with your type of needs in mind. There is no true solution, but some kind of CMS is the closest to a workable approach. You should talk to your programmers about implementing such a system for you.

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Ed, your answer, I believe,

Ed, your answer, I believe, touched upon the real issue. The OP should have made his maintenance requirements known to the developers. They could have incorporated an existing CMS application, or a web based editor for a purpose built CMS. I'm sure there are other, more fragile, solutions, but your suggestion is probably the best.

I will mark your response as the best answer.

My answer, unfortunately, focused on the OP's attitude rather than his issue.

cheers,

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gary.turner wrote: I will

gary.turner wrote:

I will mark your response as the best answer.

So that's why it's yellow now.

Last night I beat a master in a half hour game, today I get a "best answer" badge - I may be on a roll here.

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Ed Seedhouse wrote: - I may

Ed Seedhouse wrote:

- I may be on a roll here.

Nah. We're just setting you up for a larger fall. Bwah ha ha.

cheers,

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Why the flipping heck did I

Why the flipping heck did I bother to post I wonder? thought I'd said all that Stare Must be writing in invisible bloody ink

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... did anybody hear anything?

... did anybody hear anything? Tongue

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thepineapplehead wrote: ...

thepineapplehead wrote:

... did anybody hear anything? Tongue

Not I. Maybe deuce or Ed heard something. What did it sound like? Laughing out loud

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Ghost a cross Ghost

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... Ok ... now I'm almost

... Ok ... now I'm almost positive I heard something that time .... Tongue

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I'd write something but it

I'd write something but it would just go unnoticed *sigh* I'm just going to make believe I'm a Marvel superhero, think I'll call myself 'The Wraith'

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Oh typical; can't even be a

Oh typical; can't even be a nameless wraith

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