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I've gone through a major overhaul of one of my web sites. I *think* that I'm just about ready to take it live, but I would love for some help testing things.

The new site is http://www.genuineimitation.org/gargoyle_default.asp

I based the template off the Skidoo Gargoyles layout here

There should be two test accounts, test and testtest. Password is the same as the username for both accounts. I've given them access to a hidden testing forum, so feel free to mess around there.

As I said, I believe that I am very close to a release, but I haven't had a chance to test this as thoroughly as I'd like. I have tested on FF and IE6, but would especially like people on Macs to test the layout specifically. Other than that, I'm looking for general comments about layout and bugs, as well as pages that I've either forgotten to convert or pages that are obviously not done.

Thanks, and feel free to post here with any more questions or comments.

Bill Parrott
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Eternal Second Designs
http//www.EternalSecond.com/

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No work Smile

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I've had problems with that file in the past. It seems that if there is no referer (such as in the case of a new window link from a forum), the referer file freaks out. It's annoyed me enough I'm just taking it out for now. Perhaps at a later date I can try to fix it. For now, the link should work as intended.

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Hi
Good implementation of the Ruthsarian layout with just a few issues:
1) If you are bothered about IE users, the layout breaks if they increase the text size. Also the top (red and blue) banner "Genuine Imitation" is truncated top and bottom.
2) The original layout is inherently fluid/elastic and "apparently" any column longest.
at 800x600 resolution:
Some of the pages with larg-ish pictures break in IE and the overlap of the pictures is not visually pleasing in Fx. "GenuineImitation.org" runs into the red and blue banner.

at higher resolutions:
some of the pages with short content leave the bottom of the content column way above the bottom of the left column and somehow the footer stuff does not look quite right suspended part way up the screen/higher than the bottom of the left column.

In general, I like the color scheme but you might like to consider raising GenuineImitation.org a little so that the descender on the "g" does not drop down onto the mid-blue box.
I'm not too sure about the Albums page, perhaps because of the placing of the playlist - may look better if the picture and description is boxed together and the playlist displayed beneath that box.
The link to Guest Book appears to go an old forum.

As an aside, I wonder if you really need a forums box as well as the link to the forums in the navigation box, and maybe the guest book link is redundant as it's also at the top of the forum.

HTH

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Lorraine wrote:
Hi
Good implementation of the Ruthsarian layout with just a few issues:

Thanks. I've been spending the past several months working on it.

Lorraine wrote:
1) If you are bothered about IE users, the layout breaks if they increase the text size. Also the top (red and blue) banner "Genuine Imitation" is truncated top and bottom.

I hadn't even thought about increasing text size. I was having problems with the layout breaking in IE before, and thought I had fixed it. I'll work on that some more.

About the banner issue, I've currently got hat set as a background image with the overflow set to visible. It works in firefox and netscape just fine, but I can't seem to get it working right in IE. Should I cut my losses and set IE only css to expand the banner just big enough to hold the banner?

Lorraine wrote:
2) The original layout is inherently fluid/elastic and "apparently" any column longest.
at 800x600 resolution:
Some of the pages with larg-ish pictures break in IE and the overlap of the pictures is not visually pleasing in Fx. "GenuineImitation.org" runs into the red and blue banner.

I'll have to go through and resize some of the pics. I have only really done the one on the main page to get a feel for what size I needed to reduce things down to. I guess the rest of the pages got lost in the shuffle somewhere. Thanks for reminding me. Smile

Lorraine wrote:
at higher resolutions:
some of the pages with short content leave the bottom of the content column way above the bottom of the left column and somehow the footer stuff does not look quite right suspended part way up the screen/higher than the bottom of the left column.

Unfortunately this is something I could never figure out how to fix. All of the different methods I found for setting one column longer than the rest was through the use of background images. I don't really have the luxury of using those at this point, but if anyone can help me figure out a way to stretch a column without using a million and a half < br /> tags, that would be wonderful.

Lorraine wrote:
In general, I like the color scheme but you might like to consider raising GenuineImitation.org a little so that the descender on the "g" does not drop down onto the mid-blue box.
I'm not too sure about the Albums page, perhaps because of the placing of the playlist - may look better if the picture and description is boxed together and the playlist displayed beneath that box.
The link to Guest Book appears to go an old forum.

I intentionally had the last "g" dip below, but I'll ask around and see if it is a minor annoyance to any other users. I'll also play around with the albums page. The layout is a leftover from the old tables site, and I didn't really change much when I converted the page.

Lorraine wrote:
As an aside, I wonder if you really need a forums box as well as the link to the forums in the navigation box, and maybe the guest book link is redundant as it's also at the top of the forum.

HTH
You know what? That's a good point. I can probably lose the forums link without too many complaints. I will be keeping the Guestbook link, though, because most people won't automatically assume that there's a guestbook in the forums. Before I put the link up, parents and fans were coming to the site, then just emailing us saying we should get a guestbook.

Thanks a million for the comments. They'll give me a bit to work with and tweak before I release.

Keep 'em coming!

Bill Parrott
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Eternal Second Designs
http//www.EternalSecond.com/

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I checked your site on a Mac in Safari, Firefox, and IE.

At my screen's default resolution (1024 x 768) the text is miniscule, and the format is fine. Once I increase the fonts to a legibile size, your calendar leaks out of its background and the sidebar. (screenshot)

About the short content column and the footer info appearing before the sidebar is done... Maybe you need to set the footer float to clear on both sides? Anyway, maybe one of these will have a solution for you?

Contained Floats
http://www.csscreator.com/attributes/containedfloat.php

Footers
http://www.csscreator.com/css-forum/ftopic6250.html

It's a nice looking site. You might consider giving some extra line height to the <p> to improve readability for the long text passages. Otherwise, nothing obvious awry in Mac browsers.

Total newbie and purely amateur webmaster...

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Displays best in firefox. IE 6 cuts your logo at the top off. Opera 8 doesn't allow the navigation to cross into the center area. Other than that I was impressed with the complexity of the layout. Nice work.

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Hi, Bill
Sorry not to get back to you sooner. You may have heard Londoners had a bit of local difficulty yesterday :!:

I see some changes this morning like the footer and no forums link on navigation. So let's look at some of your other comments.

Bill wrote:
Should I cut my losses and set IE only css to expand the banner just big enough to hold the banner?

You could try using z-index although that's a bit iffy. So, I suppose an IE only banner is the safest - watch out for the web address overlapping the mid-blue background! (see later about red and blue)
Bill wrote:
Unfortunately this is something I could never figure out how to fix.

You are not alone - neither could Mister Ruthsarian:
http://weblog.bridgew.edu/ruthsarian/
I tried for weeks on one site, but how many <brs> does it take at different resolutions. I have a monitor that goes up to 2048x1536 (not that I ever go as high as that). I wanted to keep the skidoo layout I started with for many reasons and I decided to go for a max-width overall. In my case it was 998px (1024 less borders and vertical scrollbar) because I had many important images (like you) that just could not be compressed to fit any less. There is a note about these pages for the 800x600 surfers. You'll find several topics here on how to set max-width and the IE work-around. Then, and here I have a confession to make, I added some "spacer" divs :roll: of different heights to the css and chose the most suitable for the content length of any problem pages. I hope that doesn't upset the gurus too much!
Bill wrote:
I intentionally had the last "g" dip below

Yes and it can be effective. My comment was part personal and part physiological. Red and Blue are at different ends of the spectrum as far as the retina is concerned which means that the eye has to refocus to its maximum extents to see the colours. Red on blue / blue on red can be very difficult to read and can cause a shimmer effect which is quite off-putting.

All the best - wish I could sing.
Lorraine

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Thanks again for your helpful comments. When going through the site again looking for pages I missed, I found the entire calendar section of the forums almost completely unaltered! I'll definitely be working on the stuff you pointed out.

Glad to hear that you are ok, though, Lorraine.

Bill Parrott
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Ok. I've converted a lot more pages, and I'm addressing some of the more major issues mentioned here today. My first question is this: how can I fix the layout break in IE when text is enlarged? I tried simply setting a slightly smaller text size, but even a couple % made it completely unreadable.

EDIT: Well, I got that fixed kind of on accident. I shortened the days of the week to two letters instead of three, and when I went back to explain the problem to someone else, there was no problem. So... my next question is this: are there any people who are interested in a cappella music? If so, please register on our forums and help me try to break them in the next few days. My plan is to take the new site live on Thursday barring any major hiccups.

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