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Sorry to say I am new to web design. I only know that I wanted a web page with as much CSS as possible. I have reason to believe the web designer I hired doesn't know CSS that well. Can anybody tell me if this page has been done well or should I start over?

http://www.paramountweb.net/online/new.html

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Paid for a well designed CSS web page. Did I get it?

What reasons would you have to believe that the designer didn't know CSS too well?

Answering that question may help us to set your mind to rest and to understand where you perceive problems to lie.

The page validates:

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.paramountweb.net/online/new.html

The CSS validates:

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3A//www.paramountweb.net/online/new.html

This is not to mean that it works perfectly across a range of browsers but at a cursory glance the code looks ok, it's a shame the designer has used some tables for part of the layout but it's a relatively minor niggle.

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Paid for a well designed CSS web page. Did I get it?

usair21620,

The goal should be to complete the page with as little CSS as possible, only what is needed. At first glance at the CSS your designer has written, things look very good. It seems that all the shorthand tricks were even used, something I don't see very often from even self-proclaimed intermediate CSS builders. On top of that, the complementary color scheme works nicely and, visually, the page has a clear layout. Overall, you should be pleased so far, most people are full of hot air (and other more solid materials). This person seems to know a thing or two about CSS. Have some faith!

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Paid for a well designed CSS web page. Did I get it?

Okay, I'll jump the fence and be a little pessimistic here. I agree that it's not all that bad, but it could have been better. It could have been done without any tables, and with perhaps less markup (but again, it's not bad). I hate when a division with a class of header is used instead of an hx tag. And the creator seems to have a slight case of divitis. I'd be willing to bet things could be leaner.

[jumps back over fence]
There is nothing to show that he doesn't know CSS all that well. He may not be a guru like Eric Meyer, David Bowman, and many others, but he has done well enough here.

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The site's main content is centred in IE but left-aligned in FF.

My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it!

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I'm not sure I'm happy with 'Site Checks' being used in this way to critique someones elses work, it's really for the actual designer/developer to obtain feedback on their work, which is why I asked the question "what reasons to believe something wrong" and hope the OP posts back to answer this as we may be better able to reassure them and explain some principles behind CSS. It is easy to find fault with anyones work when it comes to CSS, it's a very difficult subject and minor errors do not equal bad design.
You can even find fault with the top CSS designers believe it or not.

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wait a minute! there is a fault in his css. maybe its minor, but i have noticed that in ie6 sp2, it renders the content in the center of the page, but in firefox 1.0.4 and opera 8.1, it renders the content to the left. looks like he coded for ie without thinking about the other two browsers. :roll:

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Son of a...I didn't notice that before. usair21620, you've been ripped off! Smile Seriously, it was sloppy error on the part of the programmer not to see that, but it doesn't look bad left-aligned. Still, a good eye you've got there zaggin.

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Paid for a well designed CSS web page. Did I get it?

It doesn't take much surfing of the net to realise that clients are being ripped off left, right and centre on a daily basis by people who are not fit to call themselves web designers, so I personally don't see a problem with this forum section being used in this way even if it doesn't fit the summary title (sorry Hugo) PROVIDED the poster gives their reasons for asking for a critique AND that the responses are generalised and not too harsh i.e. not nit-picking or based on personal preferences of common compromises.

The code for this page has been analysed so I will simply add that from an aesthetic perspective the page looks neat and professional (no nit-picking, remember). So come on then usair21620 - why are you asking our opinions? ...are you looking for an excuse to get out of paying for it?

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Roytheboy wrote:
personally don't see a problem with this forum section being used in this way even if it doesn't fit the summary title (sorry Hugo) PROVIDED the poster gives their reasons for asking for a critique

Fair point Roy, there possibly is a need for somewhere that that one can obtain impartial third party advise when as a client one is not sure whether they have got what they paid for and your point about cowboy designers that are ripping people of and giving the web design industry a bad name is sadly true.

As you say though as long as the poster gives due reason for their request and in this case that is what I was asking, that and the fact that I got the impression from the out that we were possibly being used as a means of perhaps baulking on on the price of the work, that this person may just use our comments as an excuse, and that I do not find to be honorable, nor something we should be party to.

The fact that we have heard nothing further from the poster tends to confirm my suspicions and to my mind reinforces my comments in my second post and at the least, demonstrates discourtesy towards the forum.

If this is the way that clients would use our supposed expertise and advise I would have to say that it would be better that we do not indulge this sort of enquiry and stick to the usual purpose for 'Site checks'

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this site to me seams like a ordinary template.
it validates the home page.
the problem with sites like this is that missed originality.

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Paid for a well designed CSS web page. Did I get it?

I did notice that in Firefox the shading under the home and products buttons is missing. It just appears as a blue chunk (i assume the background color (hate that spelling) COLOUR.

Haven't checked in IE

apart from that it looks a nice neat tidy site - nothing groundbreaking but i guess there is a kind of formula that works for this type of site

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Paid for a well designed CSS web page. Did I get it?

I think we've been duped.

This person obviously came here to plug this site and get free advertisement. Notice he/she has not been back to reply?

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Following on from a topic of earlier today in which we discussed how easy it is to build up a profile of people, I am reasonably happy that usair21620 is a genuine person posting a genuine question. He is not new to forums, so he knows how to get good advice. I think he was probably a bit taken aback by our various responses to his post and maybe wished he'd never asked! Ho hum - at least his question raised a good issue for discussion.

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Roy wrote:
I think he was probably a bit taken aback by our various responses to his post and maybe wished he'd never asked! Ho hum

Ok so I guess that means me, but I stand by my comments, even if taken aback he/she could still have responded, I didn't bite his/her head off.

If as you say he is not new to forums then I would expect him to have responded to the request for clarification on what he/she saw as a reason for concern, the question I asked was out of curiosity and the fact that it would have helped give a more informed directed opinion.

I was less than impressed by the lack of return response, regardless of the answers/comments posted.

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Ok so I guess that means me

No; not particularly.

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In my opinion you could have done a lot worse mate.

Also contrary to what others have said, I think its good that clients are taking an interest in the underlying code and not just a fancy flashy dhtml thingy

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