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I have been bogged down for several weeks trying to accomplish something on my website concerning CSS, which I know little about. Therefore, having in essence wasted several weeks, I am appealing to people of this forum that can probably solve myproblem relatively fast.

I have a blogspot blog (http//fromtheasylum.blogspot.com) and blogspot provides a CSS template. In the article Newbie Graphics # 1, and in the section "CENTER, RIGHT, AND LEFT" I wish to place the following satirical image three times, centered, right, and left

<'img src="http//img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-6/1030111/Product.
gif"'> (the single quotation marks are only for getting the words on a webpage, take them out to get the graphic displayed).

Above the Centered version I wish to have the words "PAID ADVERTISEMENT", centered. Below the centered version, I wish to have a version on the right side of the page with writing to the immediate left of the graphic. Below the right sided version I wish to have a left sided version with writing to the immediate right of the graphic. I have been able to accomplish what I want in the blogspot editor preview screen but when I publish the post it doesn't show
up the way it does in the preview screen. My theory is that when I publish my post, my blogspot provided CSS template is over riding the prieview screen which doesn't involve the CSS template.

Is it possible to overide the CSS template with a set of instructions in that template that will accomplish what I want, as described in the last paragraph?

For anyone that can solve my problem, if it can be solved, I will give credit in the article.

Thanking in advance anyone who help,

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Mentally challenged,
You're method of 'borrowing' images in that article is very illegal. You're not only violating copyright laws but you're stealing bandwidth at the same time. I would seriously consider removing that article.

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As Wolfcry has said this is theft, mentally-challenged, and worse you are attempting to promote the activity by explaining how to achieve it.

Have a read of this if you don't understand what your doing wrong:

http://www.phenomenalwomen.com/donteventhinkaboutit/

eventually the webmasters responsible for the sites you are 'Hotlinking' to will find you in their server logs and you will be traced and your ISP possibly contacted re your activities, Remove the article forthwith and remove the hotlinks, or get permission to copy and run them from your own server.

We will be checking Wink

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To Wolfcry911

First of all I thank you for the constructive criticism.
If a person believes something(Drunk to be wrong, I admire an
attempt to correct the situation. Having said that, I will
explain why I don't believe "violating" or "stealing" is
involved in my article, or "illegal" activity

A. As I explained in the article, I sent an email to the
the place I got the asylum picture from explaining what I
did and some reasons using that picture could be of benefit
to them. I aslo told them I would take it down if I heard
from them that they didn't want it used. That left the
decision of whether the picture stayed or was taken down
with them.

B. As I also explained in the article, I once made the
mistake of simply posting a picture without linking it in
some manner of benefit to the website source of the
picture. About two days later that website source
stopped me from displaying the picture. When I realized
the mistake I made, I relinked it in a manner I perceived
to be of benefit to that website source and the link
remains active. Since they stopped my first linking which
was a mistake on my part, but have left alone my second
linking that proves the point I made several times in the
article that if you link in a manner that provides some
benefit to the source, the source doesn't mind, unless
there is some special circumstance involved, which if there
is, they will stop a person on their own, as they did in my
case, or they will ask a person to take it down, in which
case I would take it down if I was asked to.

C. As for any other graphics that were not mine, the
same principle discussed in B. above and several times in
my article applies. The pictures are linked in a manner
I perceive to provide benefit to the source of the pictures.
And that is why they leave me alone. If some special
circumstance was involved that amounted to the website
not wanting me to "borrow" their picture they would either
stop me on their own or request that I take the picture
down, in which case I would.

There is much more that could said on this subject, but
won't be, that leaves me confident that in reality I am
neither "violating", "stealing", or performing something
"illegal" in that article.

I would have preferred to send you a private email
explaining this, but since you publicly chose to make your
comment which warns me of possible "violating","stealing"
and "illegal" activity and therefore publicly attaches to me
the words "vilolating", "stealing" and "illegal", the only
appropriate answer is a public one. The preceding words
of this paragraph are not a criticism of you, but rather a
simple attempt to explain why this answer is in a public
forum that is for CSS problems, not defending what I did
on my website. I do appreciate your consideration of me
that is clearly expressed in your comment and I thank you
for it.

P..S.
Just as I am about to post this I have discovered that "Hugo"
has added a comment. At the moment I don't have time
to deal with Hugo's comment. So this post is strictly in
regard to Wolfcry911"s post. I will soon, when time permits
come back and reply to Hugo's Post

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Mentally Challenged wrote:
To Wolfcry911:
I would have preferred to send you a private email
explaining this, but since you publicly chose to make your
comment which warns me of possible "violating","stealing"
and "illegal" activity and therefore publicly attaches to me
the words "vilolating", "stealing" and "illegal", the only
appropriate answer is a public one. The preceding words
of this paragraph are not a criticism of you, but rather a
simple attempt to explain why this answer is in a public
forum that is for CSS problems, not defending what I did
on my website. I do appreciate your consideration of me
that is clearly expressed in your comment and I thank you
for it.

I apologize for making this 'public' and will keep further opinion of such matter in PM.
As for you're specific problem, could you please restate your question? I'm having trouble following what you want to accomplish.

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I'm sorry but I do not accept your premise that because you have given a link back to the source that it means it's ok to hotlink, this is not the case, true some sites may not mind and some sites may never bother to check their server logs properly so the fact that you 'get away with it' should not be taken as a indication that you are in fact doing something that is acceptable, you sound like you are attempting to twist things to suit your own purpose here, that a site allowed the second method of linking is again no indication that it is permissable they may just have not noticed or did you in fact notify them that you wished to link to their image and gained permission.

You yourself state that "while I borrowed each picture without permission" this is Hotlinking without permission and is considered a bad practise the onus is not on the holder of the image to realise this is happening but for individuals to not carry out this practise unless permission is sought or if the site allows for this activity such as for example the getfirefox site which provides images for you to link to or download to your own server.
You repeat throughout the article the supposition that to create a link back to the source covers you, stating in one paragraph "The picture was
on one of my blogs for about two days
then could not be accessed anymore. It
then donned on me I had forgotten to
create a link that in some manner was
of benefit to the place I got the
picture. When I corrected my mistake,
I got to use the picture I wanted."


What gives you the impression that somehow creating the link back to this site magically allowed the image to be used again, I'm interested whether this was ever checked with the site, you may well be right in this instance and the site in question checked where the image was being used and decided since you had provided due attribution back to them that they would allow it, but I wouldn't assume that this is the way everything works.

Why can you not seek permission to use the graphic ? it's a simple email and why do you not then use a copy of the image on your own server thus utilising your own bandwidth instead of someones elses.

I'm sorry but you haven't provided a justified argument to support this practise.

We have not directly accused you of any guilt but have pointed out that the practice known as 'Hotlinking' is considered Theft this is a cursory warning rather than an accusation, Wolfcry warns that using an image without permission infringes copyright laws and that the act of hotlinking is deemed to be 'stealing' these are not our definitions but are generally held as legal stances.

Again the warning stands the article remains in bad taste and you would be strongly urged to remove it.

To comment on our remarks in this public arena is perfectly justified it is your post and you may take it in any direction you care within reason, that it does not directly pertain to the original question is largely due to our responses and you have a right to public redress on the matter, that is acceptable.

If you do feel aggrieved and that you have been slandered ( libeled is probably more apt) then I apologize as that was not the intent and indeed I do not place the label of 'thief' on you whatsoever, the intention was to point out the seriousness that some hold this matter in and to possibly discourage you from this activity.

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1. To Hugo concerning your "Sun Jun 26, 2005 409 pm" Post
I have read the article that you provided the link for and
I thank you for providing the link to that post, the
article was most informative. "Remove the article forthwith
and remove the hotlinks or...", I trust the words just
quoted are a suggestion and not a command.

2. To Hugo concerning your "Sun Jun 26, 2005 621 pm" Post
"I do not place the label of 'thief' on you whatsoever, the
intention was to point out the seriousness that some hold
this matter in and to possibly discourage you from this
activity". Hugo I thank you for pointing out in the
preceding quote what you did point out, and what you did
point out in principle is the way I personally took both
your posts as well the first one from Wolfcry911.

"I'm sorry but you haven't provided a justified argument to
support this practise". With all due respect, I would
remind you of something you already know, I don't have to
justify anything to you Hugo.

"What gives you the impression that somehow creating the
link back to this site magically allowed the image to be
used again". It is your "impression", not mine Hugo, that
what I did created in my mind an impression that "majically
allowed the image to be used again".

"Why can you not seek permission to use the graphic ?" I
can seek permission, and would in many cases, but I did not
deem it necessary in the particular cases involved in my
article. I am not advocating doing what I did in all cases,
far from it. The linked to article in your first post
points out accurately some reasons to get permission. I
don't argue with that. I simply don't believe it is necessary
in all cases.

At the site you linked to in your first post the following
words occur near the bottom of the page

"If you would like to carry this message to your website,
use the seal and place it on your site with a link back to
the URL" Just below those words these words occur
"Be sure you save it from the page (yes, you have my
permission -)) and upload it to your server." What that
website is asking you, among other things, is to include
the seal graphic that is displayed at least three times on
that page to be included with any url link to that website.
You haven't complied with what that website requested of
you for use of the url. If for any reason you couldn't comply
with that request you should have pointed out the reason
in your post here because your post here, all things
considered, shows you to be ignoring that websites'
instructions for using their URL, while you explain to me
what I am supposedly doing wrong.

I haven't answered everything you brought up, not
because I couldn't, but because I chose not to. I don't
believe it is necessary to go on and on answering
everything point by point. Between your two posts
and Wolfcry911's first post I have pointed out in my
answers to them why for the moment I don't have a
problem with what I did and we will just have to agree
to disagree.

I thank you both for in combination pointing out to me
how hotlinking grahics is abhorred by many. That fact
was not prieviously known to me. It is abhorred by me
in most circumstances, but as I have endeavoured to
explain, there are in my opinion some exceptions to the
general rule of don't do it.

I am endebted to you both for bringing to my
attention that the way my article reads, on the surface,
it looks like I am advocating such a practise in all
circumstances, which I am not. In a day or two, I will
add to my article and explaing more precisely that I do
generally advocate sending an email asking permission
and that the particular examples involved in my article are
in my eyes special circumstances that do not require an
email request, though there would certainly be nothing
wrong with sending one.

I trust that you realize that in this post I am not out to
embarass or belittle you, but rather I viewed your two
posts as well as the first one of Wolfcry911 as
constructive criticism, which I appreciate, and I trust also
that anything I said that may have seemed to you to be
harsh was in reality constructive criticism, which I always
view as helpful.

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To Wolfcry911 concerning your Sun Jun 26, 2005 502 pm Post

Thank you for your gracious post. As for your statement,
"for you're specific problem, could you please restate your
question? I'm having trouble following what you want to
accomplish." I'm so new to CSS I can understand why you
had trouble following me. Because I know so little about
CSS I have trouble expressing myself in terms that make
sense.

I wrestled with the problem for a couple of weeks and
got nowhere, but since I made my orignial post concerning
that matter I have come across some things that may solve
the problem. I will experiment with them until at least 12
noon, Eastern, Standard Time, Tuesday and if I solve the
problem I will acknowledge it here and if I can't I will try to
reword the bacic problem and repost it here in a way that
makes sense.

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Dear challenged, (I wish people would sign off with a real name Smile )

Of course my words were not intended as a command I have no right to issue commands to you, but they were meant as strong advise.

It was understandable that you may have taken the wrong inference from our posts which is why I offered the apology for possible offence caused, but that is not to say that the tone of the posts should in any way be lessened.

It is true that you do not have to have to justify anything to me personally, but in making this matter known you have somewhat taken on the responsibility of having to justifying your reasons in principle considering the possible direction that this matter could be taken, and in fairness you have attempted to do this sadly in my previous post I was attempting to point out the fact that I failed to find a convincing argument for the defence, although I see that in many ways you are attempting to keep things above board.

You give the "Impression" largely because you do not exactly clarify how the conclusion was reached in the second link being allowed whilst the first was blocked , that it was allowed . You give the impression because there is no firm evidence or confirmation that you were implicitly allowed to hotlink to this image.

Interesting you say that you could ask permission but that you don't deem it necessary in all cases, fair enough but be careful about when it's deemed necessary and when it's not, as your deeming necessary might differ from the copyright holder but that is your decision to make I guess.

You haven't complied with what that website requested of
you for use of the url. If for any reason you couldn't comply
with that request you should have pointed out the reason
in your post here because your post here, all things
considered, shows you to be ignoring that websites'
instructions for using their URL, while you explain to me
what I am supposedly doing wrong.


Ah your misunderstanding the way things work here, the reference is to the use of their graphic link on you website page, this is a common request with this type of link, in general permission has been granted for the use of her image, she requests that it be copied to your server and not loaded as a live link from her site and that the image links back to that page, this a normal type of request and should not be confused with what your talking about.

What it does not mean is that any external url link to her site be accompanied by the same image so no I did not have to place her image as part of the link to her site.

Hyperlinks are a fundamental part of the web - in fact they are what the WWW was built around and no one can or would want to inhibit the use of links it's not really possible and indeed is beneficial to her as it increases her online presence and ultimately will increase her page ranking, url links are a normal part of daily web life and are not to be confused in any way with hotlinking to someone elses bandwidth or to displaying content belonging to someone else on your own page.

So as you can see she was not issuing an instruction on how to use her url and I'm afraid is a confusion on your part, and I must say that you do state on your site that you have only been running a site for a couple of months and have only just learnt things like including graphics in pages, then just a cautionary note the web is a wild and dangerous place, full of trouble if your not careful I understand that sites like blogspot are attractive and allow one to get an online presence very easily but do also remember that along with running a blog or any web site comes a certain amount of responsibility that can't be avoided and it's not all a lark.

Regardless of all of the above if you had indeed not realised before how the practise of 'Hotlinking' is regarded then hopefully we have opened your eyes to something and if you do rethink and clarify some or all of your article then that can only be a good thing and I wish you well with it.

Next time you post maybe we can focus on your CSS problems instead Smile

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Dear Hugo

I thank you for your sincere advice and realize that the
advice is well intended. As I mentioned to WolfCry911, I
have recently found somethings that may solve the CSS
problems that I tried to explain in my initial post. I will
experiment with the new things until at least noon Tuesday.
If I solve the problems I will post the fact here so as to
not take up anymore of anyone's time who is trying to help,
but if I still can't solve them I will try to reword the
problems so as to be more precise in trying to explain the
particular CSS difficulties I am encountering and so far
haven't been able to solve.

Ernie
(Mentally Challenged, Seargeant Preston, Boston Blackie and
other pseudonyms used on my websites to further some themes
used on those websites)

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Mentally, I was going to move this to Off Topic, or at least split it, but I'll let Hugo decide the best course of action.

And it helps
if you don't keep
writing like
this, it makes the text
very hard to read for us Laughing out loud

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I think that we will just leave things as is for the moment I don't especially want to split it and in effect start a new thread, this is done and dusted.

Ernie we will await to see if you can solve the problem if not post back and we'll have a go and stick to the question in hand this time Smile

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I still have my CSS problem. I have made a graphic to help explain what I am trying to accomplish and haven't been able to do so far. The graphic is the third one on the right and needs to be zoomed
http//www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=1364610

The graphic is a scaled down model and represents an entire web page. As best I understand, the CSS code on my From The Asylum template, which can be viewed by using the view page source in a browser at From The Asylum, is stopping me from having what I picture in the graphic.

A. Is there some CSS code that can be placed in my CSS template that will allow a full page display like is illustrated in principle in the graphic? The graphic simply used Windows Paint to add the words in the graphic. What I really want is the CSS template to show the words next to and above the various graphics in the graphic.

B. What I have asked for in A. above is one solution, if it can be done that is. But I am also interested in a second possible solution. Is there way to store a HTML page somewhere that in HTML 4.0 accomplishes what I want in terms of the Graphic and then have my
CSS template call that stored page in to my blog?

I am not looking for the code of the called in HTML 4.0 page, I can do that myself. What I would need if it can be done, is the code to place in my CSS template that would call in the stored page and the code and where to place it that would return the person reading the called in page to the CSS template, that is, my blog.

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The answer to A: is yes you would use floats on the images to move them either to the right or left of the text, but this will likely require that you edit both the html and add CSS rules to the stylesheet and would involve something along the lines of creating a div adding an image to it floated left followed by a paragraph of text which would then sit to the right of this, text overlaying an image could be accomplished by adding another div with the graphic set as a background and text written to the div in a p element but I'm not conversant with Blogspot as to whether you can accomplish this.

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HUGO

Thank you for the post. I experimented with things you said in the post and was able with a little bit of a rewrite in my article to put up something that satisfied me and will do until I learn more about CSS.

Thanks again to both you and Wolfcry911, for through you both, I have an article on my blog that is significantly better now than it was before we three began a post exchange in this forum.

Ernie D