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Hi there;

I'm having a major league dilemma, no matter what I do, I can't get my list at the top of my site to butt up against the very top. I've tried absolute positioning, I've tried punching it in the guts, but nothing seems to work.

The site looks perfect in IE 6.0 (by happy circumstance, not because I designed it that way, as I was validating my CSS, I checked in both browsers and lo and behold the darned thing worked).

I've spent two days tweaking things and my business partner's starting to get annoyed with me. The "Mozilla is the future" argument isn't working with him because he's saying "Good enough", but I know I won't be able to sleep with the mozilla bugs.

http://www.hockeyupdater.com
http://www.hockeyupdater.com/testcss.css

Thanks in advance.

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Hi,

You have to look at this from a business point of view. More people use IE 5.x/6.x than any other browser. Mozilla is usually used by more experienced computer/net users.

Indeed browsers like Mozilla are becoming more popular, but a browser such as IE is being used by approx. 75%+ of the net population.

The AOL software uses the IE browser control for it's net surfing interface. Do you know how many people use AOL? It's not only based in the US, but the UK, France, Germany and other EU countries.

Of course by all means find a solution (I'll see if I can counter-act your problem), but for now accept the fact it works in IE and will be viewed by surfers probably using IE.

Just some friendly advice mate. Good luck.

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mcrilly wrote:

You have to look at this from a business point of view. More people use IE 5.x/6.x than any other browser. Mozilla is usually used by more experienced computer/net users.

I appreciate the advice, but I'm trying to build for the future. I'm alright with the fact that it works okay (though not perfectly) in Mozilla, and works perfectly in IE...but what about in a year when IE rewrites the engine?

I don't want to re-write my websites any time a new browser comes out. I thought the browser wars ended in 1997...I want to do it right the first time now.

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I understand that, however ....

Do you think it's possible to make a computer game that will run on future OS's? No not really.

For all you know, EVERY browser developer might rewrite their engines. For all you know, CSS 3 might come out and 1 & 2 might not be supported by ANY 'new' engine.

You can only plan for the future, not build for it.

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mcrilly wrote:

You can only plan for the future, not build for it.

I understand your philosophy, and I've wrestled with it myself. I'm happy with my decisions to build accessible, forward thinking websites, and it's not something I came to on a whim.

Is there a philosophy board where we can debate this, because I don't think this is the appropriate venue.

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Hi Guy's,
I mention throughout the forms that you should not aim to have the site look exactly the same in every browser. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to get it looking as good as we can in browsers such as Mozilla which has good CSS support.
So let now look at fixing the problem.
First thing I noticed when looking at the source is the backCompat or quirks mode doctype.
Lets start by fixing that which will help in your quest to future proof your site.
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> That may throw IE out a little, but we should be able to fix any changes it causes.
Next thing would be to set the margin-top on #nav to 0; which should move the list up into place.

Hope that helps.

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Hey Tony;

That helped loads, of course it created one new problem, and had an old problem rear it's ugly head again.

The old problemb first. The links at the top (with the CSS Mouseovers) have some behavior problems. When you first load the page, it only displays four of the five links, and they all have a padding of about 20 pixels to the right.

As soon as I click on one of the links, they re-position, and eventually go back to normal as I click on all of them. It's like they have a right-padding of 20px before they become visited. It's the same in both browsers. That seems odd.

The second problem is that now my login box is down in the "About HockeyUpdater" area instead of up near the "HockeyUpdater" logo (in both IE and Mozilla), I'm probably just missing something there.

It's much better now though. I can't believe I forgot about my doctype...dumb dumb dumb.

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