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Hey all!

I think I'm ready for an official pre-release site check.

You can find the site I've been building for my church at http://www.infinivert.com/bpbc/. This is my first attempt to do an entirely CSS/XHTML site, so I'm pretty proud of it, but I want it to be as perfect as possible.

Everything seems to validate (CSS, XHTML 1.0 Transitional), and it looks right on recent versions several browsers where I've tried it (Firefox, IE, Navigator, Opera, Safari... still looks funky on ie:mac).

I'm open for any and all coments, suggestions, ideas, and constructive criticism about code, design, and anything else. Tear it up!

Thanks!

Josh

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Looks GOOD to me at first glance... FF 1.0 and IE6

xhtml "tentatively" validates... probably need to add a charset to it
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />

tr.heading td {
border-width: 1px;
border-left width: 0px;
border-right-width: 0px;
background-color: #CCCCCC;
}

needs to be changed so it will validate Smile

Didn't look thru the entire site... will do so later and post back

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Thanks for catching those 2 things. Fixed!

Let me know what else you come up with.

Josh

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Had a "little" look around... and some comments...

Not too fond of how you are doing your upper level index pages...
for instance http://www.infinivert.com/bpbc/info/index.htm
When I click that I expect to see something related to Beltway Info not a page that gives me the entire site map minus the beltway links AND then on the rh side gives me the links to the beltway info stuff
If you want to continue with this I would suggest that you disable the link Beltway Info in your main menu so my only choices are the sublinks. Your drop down menus are readily accessible and easy to follow so that initial index page is really overkill IMHO... if you want a site map by all means include one (I understand it is good for SEO) but don't make it the focal point of your index pages

Those pages that "are coming soon" ... either leave out of the menus or disable them...

Encrypt or otherwise hide your mailto: links so as to prevent "bots" from getting them

All in all a very well done site IMHO... would be very curious to see the "old" site for comparison

Hope this helps

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Yeah, I agree with you on the sitemap pages. I'm working through that. I'd like to leave the list of links though just in case somebody's browser is being screwy and for whatever reason the drop-down menu doesn't work. We've had some bad experience with that in the past. I'll look into adding some actual info to the tops of those pages. Any suggestions?

I'm also leaving the "Coming Soon" pages in there for a reason. I'm setting this site up so that the individual ministry leaders can update their info using Macromedia Contribute without messing up junk they shouldn't touch. The "Coming Soon" pages are there as place-markers and should be replaced with up-to-date info within the next week or two. Leaving those pages there allows them to go live with their info as soon as possible without having to wait for me to enable the links.

As far as encrypting the mailto: links, I've never heard of that. I'll have to do some research, I suppose, to figure out how. If you know of any quick links off the top of your head to point me in the right direction, I'd be grateful.

Thanks for the compliments. You can see the old site at http://www.beltway.org/ for now. I hope to get this site up and the DNS transferred by the end of the week though, so it won't be available for very long.

Thanks again for all your help!

Josh

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Josh;
As to the sitemap pages...OK I'll buy that answer for now Smile but again, IMHO I wouldn't be using a menu that doesn't behave Smile even though it appears that the menu works just fine... You could put some text on those pages yes, although I don't know what it would be at the moment... maybe a compilation of some of the entry text from each of the sub sections?

Regarding "Coming Soon" ... OK not a problem then

Encrypting email: search this forum as I "think" there have been posts pertaining to that... if not use Google... also, if you are able to use ASP or PHP then you could suck the info out of a database and have all email links point to a contact form... if you would like info on how to do this let me know as I do this on http://www.tcsnd.org/tcs1/

Looks MUCH better than the "old" site...

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Thanks! I do have PHP on this site, so I'll check that link out and see what I can come up with. I like the idea of a smart e-mail form better than clogging up my pages with javascript... Either way, though, I'm concerned about coming up with a method that is easy enough for the individual ministry leaders to implement without having to learn how to code.

We shall see.

Thanks again!

Josh

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Josh;

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Either way, though, I'm concerned about coming up with a method that is easy enough for the individual ministry leaders to implement without having to learn how to code.

Maybe I'm missing something here but why would the ministry leaders need to code any mailto type links? I'm guessing that IF they had to it would be for their own email addresses right?
If so, you could do the work for them and include the code now on their "coming soon" pages Smile

If not, you could assign each leader a range of mailto id's for their use and the needed code and then when they use one you would then have to make the appropriate change to the database... I am speaking of using ASP here since I don't know PHP but I would guess the idea would be the same?

IMHO using an email form in some fashion is the only way to go when soliciting email from users...

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I'll look into that. Good idea, I'll just have to find a way that is practical.

In the mean time, does anybody have any further comments, ideas, suggestions, or criticism of the design or other areas of the site?

Thanks!
Josh

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Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about the graphic on the bottom of the page? Is it too much? Would the site look better without it? The church building on the right is superimposed into the landscape. Is it too obvious? Would it look better with just the landscape? Thoughts?

Thanks!

Josh

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Josh;
Didn't really give it much thought in my previous posts, but now that you mention it... I think it's fine either with or without it. But, with it the text is REALLY hard to read so you should make some adjustments there if you want to keep it.

Also, that combined with your other graphics might be a problem for dialup users.

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Yeah, I might drop it just for that reason. I plan to do some graphics crunching soon as well. We'll see how that turns out.

On another note, I added some text to the index pages that previously just had the sitemap. What do you think? Does it help?

--still truckin'--

Josh

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On another note, I added some text to the index pages that previously just had the sitemap. What do you think? Does it help?
Yeah it does... a suggestion.. ditch the tan background to the submenus from the index page and make it first after the text... after all that is more important on the page than the site map

And another idea... on those index pages just have the main categories listed for the site map instead of all the pages, and have a link to a FULL site map instead?

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Hmm... let me toss those ideas around a bit and play with them...

Josh