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My web development firm just completed http://www.franklinlakes.org, a site that was originally created in FrontPage. We revamped it completely and it now validates to XHTML 1.0/Transitional. I think it's a huge step considering that 99% of town/city websites across the US are way outdated technologically and design-wise. If anyone has any links to well-designed town/city web sites, please let me know.

The one issue that I notice and can't figure out how to fix is an IE6-only symptom of momentarily skewed floats to the left while the page is loading. I posted a thread in CSS Layouts section here: http://csscreator.com/css-forum/ftopic6628.html and hope someone knows why it happens/how to fix it.

Comments/suggestions welcome. Thanks.

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well it's a very good example of adapting the Wordpress blog ,
If a little stark in the body content , could maybe do with a softer background to the post contents and the meta post style could do with being slightly clearer .

I hope you won't take this the wrong way but I always feel that it's a little unkind to strip out all references to "wordpress" it would have been kind to leave the "Powered by" tagline in the footer seeing as it is an Open Source Project, but do realise ones not actually obliged to but it is courteous .
Careful with the default wordpress CSS it's a bit of a mess but I presume you know that.

Does look very good though, nice and clean.
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The site looks nice and I particularly like the menu buttons BUT (there's always a BUT) the text disappears as you enlarge the font size in the browser!

It looks okay on FF_mac but I would close up your body copy leading as the structure of the text is lost.

AFAIC leaving out the credit line for a freely used Open Source engine is very bad form indeed Evil

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Hey all, thanks for your constructive and extremely helpful comments. As for the menu buttons disappearing when enlarging fonts, yeah it's a slight problem... I couldn't really find a better solution that kept the layout in place. as size increased. If I made it so that the buttons also increase to accomodate the text, the buttons wound up being all over the place.

About "stripping" the Wordpress logo - on a personal site, I'd gladly put a powered by link.. and I've seen many... but I was hesitant to do so here because as a web design firm I'm not completely sure how business clients and potential clients feel about having brand names, etc. on their web sites.

Ideally, I think web site designs should speak for themselves and blur the thought of people saying, "oh look, another wordpress site", or "thats PHPNuke", as I see in many sites.

Thanks again for your time and comments!

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About "stripping" the Wordpress logo - on a personal site, I'd gladly put a powered by link.. and I've seen many... but I was hesitant to do so here because as a web design firm I'm not completely sure how business clients and potential clients feel about having brand names, etc. on their web sites.

If you're making money on the back of other people's freely given hard work, then at least have the decency to credit them for it. If you're not prepared to credit them then either buy a commercial CMS solution and use it under licence, or design your own CMS system, which is what I did. I'm sorry to be so frank about this but as someone who is involved with OS work (albeit a small cog in a big wheel), it makes me very angry when people try to pass off the work of others as their own, and then earn money from it as well. Shame on you [-X

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If you're making money on the back of other people's freely given hard work, then at least have the decency to credit them for it.

I totally agree - Except its up to the client though, not me. Web design firms often times must even obtain permission to display their site URL on the front page.

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If you're not prepared to credit them then either buy a commercial CMS solution and use it under licence, or design your own CMS system, which is what I did. I'm sorry to be so frank about this but as someone who is involved with OS work (albeit a small cog in a big wheel), it makes me very angry when people try to pass off the work of others as their own, and then earn money from it as well. Shame on you

No one is trying to pass off work as their own. In fact, that's a clear violation of the GPL. But if OpenSource, to you, means exchanging the locks and regiments of one software development philosophy (big business commercial licensing) in place for different locks (e.g. post credit or die in shame!) then something is wrong. It makes it seem like OS is all about recognition, when what it really is about is quality software for the sake of making quality software. Giving credit is a courtesy, not an obligation. And it's not always in the web designer's hands to make the decision on! I'm an advocate of OS just like you, but I know its a choice too. How many web sites that don't display, "Powered by Apache" do you shun?

Anyways, I don't want to argue with you and I see where you're coming from as an OS developer. Thanks again.

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Fair enough: I've made my point and you've made yours. The apache example is also a good point so we'll leave it there Smile

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shazam wrote:

About "stripping" the Wordpress logo - on a personal site, I'd gladly put a powered by link.. and I've seen many... but I was hesitant to do so here because as a web design firm I'm not completely sure how business clients and potential clients feel about having brand names, etc. on their web sites.

I'm sorry shazam but I have to agree with Roy's sentiments on this. The paragraph quoted above clearly states that you are a commercial
business and are therefore providing someone elses work for commercial gain .I don't think it's a matter of your clients sensibilities here and it's not necesserally up to them - unless they have bought a licence , I wouldn't have thought- but whether the terms of the GPL are being observed; from my understanding of them they probably are not, but I recognize it's a difficult one to call.
Lets forget all the flowery rhetoric before and just say that the work given freely by people always deserves credit and at the least you probably should be providing a copy of the source code and GPL
and anyway the credit doesn't have to be a visible link you could put a mention in the html and Style sheet could you not?

OS is a not all about recognition and credit , and yes it's not an obligation as I said originally and you pointed out and that it's not always in the designers hands to dictate these things I can understand but the GPL is there to ensure that the continued development of the code is kept open and available to all so in some way the requirement that the GPL is provided along with modifications and improvements and links to the original source code tend to constitute a form of credit or acknowledgement anyway
regardless of the wishes of any parties involved.

I'm sure that you have read the GPL and probably understand it better than I but I wonder if it may be time to revisit it and decide whether you fulfill your obligations towards it.

Sorry if this feels like your being ganged up on here, that's not the intent , rather some recognition for work put in by people for free.

At the end of the day it will be your decision to make.
Anyhow To end on an upbeat note as I said it does look good and you have made a nice job of adapting WP; is it the "Static Page" plugin or have you just used the loop?

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Anyhow To end on an upbeat note as I said it does look good and you have made a nice job of adapting WP; is it the "Static Page" plugin or have you just used the loop?

Hey Hugo, sorry for the timelapse.. Actually it was just me taking the loop and sticking it in my own index.php with the proper includes. I haven't been able to find/be comfortable yet with WP plugin usage and often wonder how people create and manage different sections of their WP blog. For now, I think most people either are using a static plugin or just throwing in pieces of code within their template layout.

Thanks for all your comments and happy coding!