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Ooeerrk! The best laid plans and all that...

I have another website to do when msavers goes up and I'm coding this one EE Smile

I was meeting with the client (who lives a good hour away) this afternoon to discuss renewing her current hosting and domain renewals but she has just rung and cancelled the visit because of the heat. We've had over a week of 42-46C heat and not a lot of let up till next weekend.

HOWEVER - she informs me that one, possibly two domain names run out tomorrow (I know there should be a grace period) and wants me to renew these today with an appropriate provider. I will ring her later this afternoon with the (read your) selections Smile

She also wants to change hosting provider and renew domain names.

1. Needs both .com and .au domains

2. Currently has around 20(?) domains registered.
Some with Austdomains
Some with "registerfree" which she does not want to use again because
they don't send renewal notices.

3. Does not want to use current hosting provider iPower because her
previous web guy (in the US) apparently thought they were not that reliable.

4. She uses some sort of email list on iPower and I've no idea which plan she is presently on.

Client was keen on GoDaddy but I find that site horrendous to get around, in addition the basic hosting seems to be $US10.99pm ($A17.00).

Client has US bank accounts as well as Australian.

My initial feeling is to keep registering with Austdomains and move the hosting to Lunarpages - the Personal Plan should be okay by the looks. Or possibly start registering domains with domains

Problem = all these sites are quoting things I don't know the client needs apart from the ability to host unlimited domains, and email address (and responder?) and PHP.

I need some reliable advice/recommendations fast please guys Smile

Sorry Tony, I did check but at $A39pm it's just too much.

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What's EE stand for (I'm

What's EE stand for (I'm guessing you don't mean ExpressionEngine)?

I use Jumba, an Australian company with Oz-based servers. Their plans are a better price than Lunarpages although you don't get unlimited space/bandwidth (but then you probably don't need it).

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Hi Tyssen Quote:What's EE

Hi Tyssen

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What's EE stand for (I'm guessing you don't mean ExpressionEngine)?

Laughing out loud And you'd be right! Laughing out loud

It's one of the sites I'll be revamping for Maggie - 2008 version which I'm revamping and updating for the 2009 conference. I don't want to use those 3 letters at CSS Creator because the main site in the US has HUGE traffic (500,000+ on newsletter twice a week and 10,000 dnloads of the free manual per week) and I never want csscr threads to show up in any searches for it.

Thanks for the recommendation - I've just had a looksee and the problem here Maggie knows GoDaddy hosting is half the price and the question will be "why pay more?"

On the plus side Jumba handles both .com and .au registrations so it would definitely be ideal to have hosting and registration all in one place. If you've been using them for a while, do they send renewal emails for domains and hosting?

I also don't see anything about transfers on Jumba.

Interested in anything else you (or anyone) can tell me about pitfalls.

ETA: Just had a thought - when I create a new hosting account wherever...would it be better to give it a name different to any of the sites? In other words don't create a hosting account with the same name as one of her sites. Thanks

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I use JaguarPC for clienta

I use JaguarPC for clienta because I am stuck in a contract with 1&1.
Once 1&1 ends I will be moving over to JaguarPC as well.

They have a shared server plan with unlimited disk space and really good support along with an actual cPanel.

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Thanks Deuce...I'm off to

Thanks Deuce...I'm off to have a look at that too Smile

I have just spoken again with Maggie and we don't have to do anything about registrations at the moment but the hosting will run out Wednesday.

ETA: Oops....just found this

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Smee wrote:I've just had a

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I've just had a looksee and the problem here Maggie knows GoDaddy hosting is half the price and the question will be "why pay more?"

Because you'll get better support from a local-based host (and their support has always been pretty good for me) and Australian-based servers are better for Australian visitors.

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On the plus side Jumba handles both .com and .au registrations so it would definitely be ideal to have hosting and registration all in one place. If you've been using them for a while, do they send renewal emails for domains and hosting?

I actually register most of my domains elsewhere but yes they do.

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I also don't see anything about transfers on Jumba.

I think it's free. You just have to put in a transfer request with Jumba.

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when I create a new hosting account wherever...would it be better to give it a name different to any of the sites?

I don't think it matters as no changes will take effect until you change the DNS server settings with the domain registrar.

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Thank you for all this

Thank you for all this Tyssen Smile

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Because you'll get better support from a local-based host (and their support has always been pretty good for me) and Australian-based servers are better for Australian visitors.

Unfortunately the decision is now made and Lunarpages it is. I don't know that this would have swayed her to pay $21 instead of $7.50 in any case.

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when I create a new hosting account wherever...would it be better to give it a name different to any of the sites?

I don't think it matters as no changes will take effect until you change the DNS server settings with the domain registrar.

I've always had a bit of a problem with my Freehostia account because I named it after the first site I set up, so three different owners now sit under nasmsite. That's why I thought it would be better if for instance the account had been set up as smee.com - transfering the idea would mean the account becomes client.com with site1.com, site2.com sitting underneath. It would keep them all together more tidily (why doesn't that look right?)

Once again thanks for the feedback...I'm about to start! Smile

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Smee wrote:Unfortunately the

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Unfortunately the decision is now made and Lunarpages it is. I don't know that this would have swayed her to pay $21 instead of $7.50 in any case.

Eh? Aren't they more expensive? :? As far as I can tell, Lunarpages cheapest business hosting package is $US12.95/month compared to $AUD9.95/month for Jumba.

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Hmmm...it's a bit confusing

Hmmm...it's a bit confusing but I was reading through their pre-sales forum and one of the mods said "most people start with the Basic Plan" while it's subtitled Personal Plan, I don't know that it is in the way other hosting is set up.

Biz Plan at LP seems to assume you will have a shopping cart which EE doesn't and never will.

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Well personal to me says not

Well personal to me says not for business, but if your client's happy with being able to fudge the rules with a US host that probably doesn't care that much for the sake of saving $AUD1.20/month then that's up to them. Me, personally, I don't reckon a $14 annual saving is worth more than the benefit you'd get from having servers based in your own country.

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Oh dear I don't think either

Oh dear I don't think either one of us want to "fudge the rules" as you put it. LP has 150,000 clients and has been running since 1998 - if they were fudging surely they would have been discovered by now?

I'll go off line and ring Maggie now though and run it past her.

ETA: I asked the question in their forum last night and have just checked the answer:

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2. Client has 2 websites to be hosted along with 2 aliases - the Basic Plan seems quite adequate for requirements since there is not, and never will be, a shopping cart etc. Are business sites allowed on the Basic Plan?

"Also the Basic plan should be able to fulfill your clients needs perfectly. Hope that helps, and if there is anything else we can do for you please feel free to let us know."

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A business site doesn't have

A business site doesn't have to be one that sells products via ecommerce. Any site involved in promoting the services of a business or even non-profit organisation wouldn't be considered 'personal' in Australia, e.g. this is the disclaimer on Jumba's site about personal plans:

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I've just re-checked Jumba -

I've just re-checked Jumba - the problem with Maggie is that she has more websites than you can shake a stick at. She informed me yesterday that she has two more (1-pagers) to go up. I know there is at least 1 more on top of that.

That's why I originally said that the Jumba Biz-3 is what she would have to go with - so we're looking at a minimum of $A21 for the first year? or the first month? and then $A29.95 per month after that - that's a big difference to $ $A7.50 per month.

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Bummer! Can you please tell

Bummer! Can you please tell me where you found that?

That means the answer they gave me is TOTALLY misleading! I shall go back to the forum with it.

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This is a ridiculous

This is a ridiculous situation and I object to putting both me and the client under unnecessary pressure - so I have just rung Maggie and told her the best option is to renew with iPower until we sort out the best host for her to move to.

Fortunately she agreed quickly because she has a client arriving in 10 mins.

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Smee wrote:I've just

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I've just re-checked Jumba - the problem with Maggie is that she has more websites than you can shake a stick at. She informed me yesterday that she has two more (1-pagers) to go up. I know there is at least 1 more on top of that.

That's why I originally said that the Jumba Biz-3 is what she would have to go with - so we're looking at a minimum of $A21 for the first year? or the first month? and then $A29.95 per month after that - that's a big difference to $ $A7.50 per month.

Three one page websites wouldn't require their biz-3 package - you can get 4 add-on domains with biz-1 and they're not going to use much space.

As for Lunarpages forum being misleading, they're not really. Their rules might not stipulate anything about not using personal plans for business sites; it's not a legal requirement. Different hosting companies will have different rules relating to it.

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I really, really appreciate

I really, really appreciate your input and help on this Tyssen.

So that you have a clear picture let me back up a bit...

Site 1 - 11 pages, 1 alias
Site 2 - 8 pages, 1 alias (this is the one I'm revamping)
Site 3 - 1 page, possibly numerous aliases
Site 4 - 1 page, possibly numerous aliases
Site 5 - unknown at this stage

Potentially Sites 6 and 7 totally unknown at this stage, She has just had a major US source of referrals decide not to host other sites' workshops and is in a state of flux as to how to cover it.

If I'm going to recommend a move to her, then I feel a responsibility to make sure it really will cope with at least 8 maybe 10 sites in the next two years at an acceptable price, since she is happy to pay for 2 years hosting up front.

With renewing iPower hosting for the moment, it gives us space to make an informed decision. I want that decision to be the right one for us both.

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I forgot to say that there

I forgot to say that there is still some urgency because Sites 3 and 4 (1 page each) are ready to go and have no hosting.

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Okay...I have just had

Okay...I have just had someone with over 3600 posts reply to my request for clarification on the LP forum. I said the client was a business selling training and counselling services.

Firstly he said

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There are lots of business sites running under the Basic Plan, including many with shopping carts. Don't let the "Personal Website" bit on the sales page fool you.

Then when I said I'd heard of business sites under personal plans being shut down, he followed up with-

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LP doesn't much care what you have on your site, provided that it's legal under US Federal/California State law, and doesn't cause load problems that would adversely affect other users. In that case, you might need to upgrade to VPS or dedicated. Other than that, as I said, there are lots of businesses running on the Basic Plan. I think the most common problem with "personal" plans on other hosts is that they're free or subsidized by business users, and the hosts don't want your client's business essentially freeloading.

I feel a lot more comfortable with this now so I think I'll go ahead unless I've really got some naysayers Smile

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Well the crux of my point

Well the crux of my point wasn't really about whether it's illegal (or unethical), but that given all things being equal (or as close as), I'd go for an Australian host over a US one.

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this talk of what you can

:? this talk of what you can or can not run on a plan is a bit odd, hosting companies - of repute? - do not impose - generally - any restrictions on what may be run off a plan, the term 'personal' is not the best and I can see how it's obviously confusing. Most plans are labelled along the lines of basic/intermediate/pro or bronze/silver/gold the difference in the plans is the amount of resources one gets, bog standard basic level is usually suitable for personal sites with low level traffic but they wouldn't restrict you in what you ran - as long as it were legal. If you were running a fairly busy site then you would probably want as much bandwidth as possible so would opt for a more expensive plan.

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As Tyssen mentioned go for an Australian host if the client and their market is in Australia. Also check to make sure the server is actually in Australia as many may have their servers in the US.

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Too late! She cried...the

Too late! She cried...the deed is done.

Actually Tony, I'm not sure where the client's market is at the moment Laughing out loud She's only been living here permanently for the last 2 years and was back and forth from/to the US for a couple of years before that. While she does run workshops here, most of the people who came found her via a US website. A lot of her business is also conducted over the phone and she has international clients.

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Thanks Hugo also because

Thanks Hugo also because what you've said now tallies with the info I've got from LP.

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Is there a way of setting up

Is there a way of setting up new hosting for a live site without the site going down for (up to) 3 days while the new servers propagate? :?

ETA: this is for another site belonging to the EE client.

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Is there a way of setting up new hosting for a live site without the site going down for (up to) 3 days while the new servers propagate? :?

I use dnsmadeeasy.com for external DNS and it takes at most 3-4 hours for a domain to go live.

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Not sure I follow T...the

Not sure I follow T...the site is registered with X and hosted with Y, new host established with Z. All I understand at the moment is that I have to point X to Z's servers instead of Y.

Is there another way to do this?

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Not sure I follow T...the site is registered with X and hosted with Y, new host established with Z. All I understand at the moment is that I have to point X to Z's servers instead of Y.

Is there another way to do this?

You don't have to use the host's DNS. Where I host my .NET sites I don't run an external DNS (I do have one for the local intranet but it can't be used from the outside world). Instead my registrar points to dnsmadeeasy's DNS and their DNS points to my .NET server. A new domain takes about 3-4 hours to create and propagate but switching from one that's already created to another happens in what seems to be a few minutes.

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*toddles off to look at

*toddles off to look at dnsmadeeasy*

ETA:

Are you telling me that [url=http://www.dnsmadeeasy.com/s0306/price/compare.html]dnsmadeeasy[/ur] will provide:

* 3 zones (unique domains)
* Each zone needs 5 records. (www, mail, pop, root record, an MX record to direct email, and a HTTP Redirection record.)
* Receive 1 million queries per month (12 million per year).

for $US14.95 a year - about $22.00?

But that's hosting :? So this live site I have to move should be hosted at dnsmadeeasy instead of LP? If I point the dnsmadeeasy servers at LP then what's it doing.

You can tell can't you....I haven't the faintest idea what I'm talking about or how this works...could you spell it out a bit plz T?

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I don't use their hosting.

I don't use their hosting. Only their DNS service.
http://www.dnsmadeeasy.com/s0306/price/dns.html

My sites are NOT hosted at dnsmadeeasy.com

I don't think it's for you if you don't understand how to create the necessary records. Just leave it at your host, the wait for propagation isn't that long.

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I don't use their hosting. Only their DNS service.

That's what I thought you meant - I just don't understand what it does there in the middle and Wikipedia doesn't have anything. Reading up Smile

I thought the dns propagation took so long because every set of servers to be updated has their own schedule.

I've got three weeks to get to grips with this one and the client is not going to be happy if I tell her the site will go down for up to three days Sad

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... I've got three weeks to get to grips with this one and the client is not going to be happy if I tell her the site will go down for up to three days Sad

Well, you should be able to get around that with some creative host overlapping. Wink

Just don't cancel the old host until the domain shows up on the new host. I put a comment in the markup that identifies the page is from the new host. You can also access emails via IP numbers instead of host names. So you shouldn't lose anything in the mix.

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Well, you should be able to get around that with some creative host overlapping. Eye-wink

I'd love to....but how do achieve that? With what I know so far, I go to the registrar and the nameservers are pointed at the current host. If I want to point the nameservers at a new host the site goes down for three days. Or are you saying ns1 remains pointed at current host and ns2 at new host or something?

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The site doesn't need to go

The site doesn't need to go down.

There are two aspects to DNS propagation. DNS information is cached all over the internet. A DNS server will respond with the information in its cache as long as that information is not older than a certain period. I'd be surprised if many DNS servers in popular ISPs are caching DNS details for more than 24 hours.

A DNS server only updates its cache if there is a request for the information. That is, if there hasn't been a request since longer than the max age on the cache, the next request will get the updated information immediately.

Site Transfer Strategy (static sites, ie, where users don't alter the data, brochure style sites, not forums).

  • set up a subdomain to point at the new host.
  • copy the site to the new host
  • test everything is working fine using the subdomain
  • if the site can't work under a different subdomain, alter your own hosts file so that you override the DNS and go to the new site for testing
  • once testing is complete and you're happy everything works, you now have two identical websites on two different hosts.
  • switch the DNS to point to new host, no matter what DNS returns, the user will end up at the site.
  • wait 72 hours to be safe, take down the old host, revert your hosts file.

Site Transfer Strategy (dynamic, single server sites), requires ability for the old site to run as a reverse proxy

  • as above for first four items, paying particular attention to the site copying mechanism and what parts are dynamic and will need to be copied again when doing real transfer.
  • take down new host and go through transfer process, looking to eliminate mistakes and attempting to automate as much as possible.
  • familiarise yourself with reverse proxy settings for server on old host
  • work out a quite time for site to schedule transfer, if possible notify sites users in advance that something will be happening at that time.
  • stop site, do transfer, switch domains, setup reverse proxy, start site. knock on wood. avoid black cats, individual magpies and ladders.
  • wait 72 hours, take down original site.

They dynamic one is tricky. If you haven't done it before, give yourself plenty of time to go through the transfer steps - and enough times so that you are comfortable with them.

One gotcha, check that the host isn't providing other services as well as website hosting. In particular will the change affect emails for that domain.

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Oh, Bless your little cotton

Oh, Bless your little cotton socks!!!

Just so I'm clear...

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A DNS server only updates its cache if there is a request for the information.

A request from who? A user typing in the url?

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That is, if there hasn't been a request since longer than the max age on the cache, the next request will get the updated information immediately.

So the dns server looks at the request (from whomever) and looks at its last request timestamp and says "oh that's 37 hours old, I'd better go and get a new picture of the site from the server" - which just happens to be pointed at the new host, right?

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Chris..S wrote:... In

Chris..S wrote:

... In particular will the change affect emails for that domain.

If both hosts are active and you use IP numbers instead of domain names then you should be able to get email from both sites.

Chris..S wrote:

set up a subdomain to point at the new host.

What is the purpose of setting up the subdomain? I'm not sure I understand the extra step. Smile

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Yes a user.

Yes, a user, at least kind of yes. Lots of things happen in the background when you make a request for a webpage by domain name. One of those is the domain name lookup. The same thing happens whenever your computer makes a request for something by domain name (e.g. all that self-updating, when it checks for emails from your email server, any automated information fetching things you have like news feeds, weather widgets, twitter widgets).

No, not quite. DNS names are the human readable side of the internet. It runs on IP addresses. Before your web browser can go get a page from www.somewhere.com it has to look up the IP address of www.somewhere.com. It does that look up on a DNS server. After the DNS server gives it the IP address, it can then go find the page/image/whatever from www.somewhere.com. Your browser then caches the domain name/ip address match, but only for a few minutes.

When the DNS server(*) receives a request for the IP address of a domain name, it looks in its cache to see if it knows the address. If it finds the domain name & ip address in the cache it supplies it. If it doesn't find the domain name it will go look for it(**). After it goes looking for the domain/ip match, it saves it in its cache. I don't know if something monitors the cache and erases items that are too old, or if when it looks for an item it checks the datestamp first to see if it too old - but these amount to the same thing from an external point of view. If the last time it retrieved the domain/ip was too long ago, it will go get it again.

Wikipedia has some pretty good explanations of what's going on. domain name system, TTL (time to live)

(*) strictly, its a DNS caching server as opposed to an authorative server.
(**) this is a pretty complex thing. First it has to find out where the authorative DNS server for your domain is. To do that it needs to find out where the authorative DNS server for your TLD is....

Important Note

All of the above assume you are not moving your domain's DNS servers. If you need to move your DNS servers, I would do that separately from the website move. That is ensure the new DNS server has the exact same information as the old one and then switch the DNS servers. Once that has bedded in you can then do the website move.

Other important thing

If your domain name control panel gives you control over the TTL of your domain name records, you could consider reducing the TTL in the run up to the move. A typical TTL is 86400 (24 hours in seconds), if you could reduce it to 15 minutes (900), and do that more than 24 hours before the move, then you would ensure everyone would be using the new site within 15 minutes of the DNS change. Once the change is done, remember to put the TTL back to something more normal (e.g. 86400).

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Chris..S wrote: set up a

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set up a subdomain to point at the new host.

What is the purpose of setting up the subdomain? I'm not sure I understand the extra step. Smile

You want to be able to test the new site before the domain name transfer, you need a name to test it under. While its easy for me to change my /etc/hosts file, most other people (e.g. clients) seem to find it tricky, and I find setting up a subdomain easier and probably more professional than relying on any other mechanism for accessing the site to test it.

Say, newsite.myclient.com as against wierdservername.somehost.com/~wierdaccountname or 123.231.123.231

Also it has the added advantage of you going through the hoops to access the domain name control panel and making changes to it. So if there are any issues, you are sorting them out early, not when you are trying to accomplish the transfer.

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Chris..S wrote:... Say,

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... Say, newsite.mydomain.com as against
wierdservername.somehost.com/~wierdaccountname or 123.231.123.231 ...

I see. I don't let the clients touch anything more complicated than the mouse button when it comes to things like this so I just use the weirdservername.newhost.com/~weirdaccountname. It doesn't look nice but it's temporary and no one noticed so far. Wink

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... Say, newsite.mydomain.com as against
wierdservername.somehost.com/~wierdaccountname or 123.231.123.231 ...

I see. I don't let the clients touch anything more complicated than the mouse button when it comes to things like this so I just use the weirdservername.newhost.com/~weirdaccountname. Wink

Dang, you got in and quoted before the domain name change got propagated, it should read "newsite.myclient.com".

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Chris..S wrote:Dang, you got

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Dang, you got in and quoted before the domain name change got propagated, it should read "newsite.myclient.com".

Your TTL is too high. Tongue

That reminds me, the other guy switched all our TTLs to 6000. Probably 130 records. Bah, they've been that way for quite some time. I should probably go change them. :meh:

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More brilliant info here but

More brilliant info here but as I've just written in another thread I have to prioritize so I'm leaving the transfer of a live site for the moment since that isn't urgent and some other things are.

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I'm back to this and now

I'm back to this and now have to do it in the next few days...I did read your link to Wikipedia Chris but I think I got lost in the resolvers Sad

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set up a subdomain to point at the new host.

Triumph: What is the purpose of setting up the subdomain? I'm not sure I understand the extra step. Smile

Chris: You want to be able to test the new site before the domain name transfer, you need a name to test it under. While its easy for me to change my /etc/hosts file, most other people (e.g. clients) seem to find it tricky, and I find setting up a subdomain easier and probably more professional than relying on any other mechanism for accessing the site to test it.

Say, newsite.myclient.com as against wierdservername.somehost.com/~wierdaccountname or 123.231.123.231

Also it has the added advantage of you going through the hoops to access the domain name control panel and making changes to it. So if there are any issues, you are sorting them out early, not when you are trying to accomplish the transfer.

ma.com.au (not real) is registered with AAA and hosted at BBB. AAA points at BBB's servers. I want to move the hosting to LPages without the site going down for more than a few hours if possible and you tell me it is Smile

So we're going to be moving a static site a la the instructions for 1. above. I actually don't have a hosts file in /etc/ that I can see...howsomever...

Step 1
At LP I have what I call the "umbrella" domain for convenience - it isn't and never will be a 'site' - I have 3 addon sites sitting under that which ae all live. I also have an 'alias'
which points to one of those addon sites. So I set up a subdomain as transfersitename.umbrellasite.com.au and I put a copy of the files in there and test that they still work.

I'll do that and come back. Should I start a new thread about now for moving a live site?

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Continued here

I'm not starting another thread just yet because for once I might not require it Smile
(famous last words of course)

To recap:

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Posted: Sat, 2009-02-07 16:40

The site doesn't need to go down.

There are two aspects to DNS propagation. DNS information is cached all over the internet. A DNS server will respond with the information in its cache as long as that information is not older than a certain period. I'd be surprised if many DNS servers in popular ISPs are caching DNS details for more than 24 hours.

A DNS server only updates its cache if there is a request for the information. That is, if there hasn't been a request since longer than the max age on the cache, the next request will get the updated information immediately.

Site Transfer Strategy (static sites, ie, where users don't alter the data, brochure style sites, not forums).

1. set up a subdomain to point at the new host.
2. copy the site to the new host
3. test everything is working fine using the subdomain
4. if the site can't work under a different subdomain, alter your own hosts file so that you override the DNS and go to the new site for testing
5. once testing is complete and you're happy everything works, you now have two identical websites on two different hosts.
6. switch the DNS to point to new host, no matter what DNS returns, the user will end up at the site.
7. wait 72 hours to be safe, take down the old host, revert your hosts file.
[...]
One gotcha, check that the host isn't providing other services as well as website hosting. In particular will the change affect emails for that domain.

1. Subdomain set up AT the new host.
2. Done
3. Done (except I transferred an mp3 file and I can't find it on the site to test - will have to ask).
4. n/a
5. This would seem to be the case!
6. Oooooh - I chickened here 'cos this isn't going to work out right - people will have to type sillyname.domain.com to get to the newly hosted site. I think I've set it up wrong. However if I had just set up a new addon and transferred all the files there, then there would be two sites with the same name....umm....thinking....but until I switch the DNS at the registrar the new site will just chat happily to itself? More or less locally (to itself)?

The site uses mailto: which opens a new local email form for me. It popped up and I sent Maggie a message to answer if she got it (and yes Gary Smile - to also tell me if she didn't Wink )What, if anything, do I have to set on the new host.

ETA: What happened to T and why isn't he verified anymore?

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Not sure that they isn't

Not sure that they isn't work going on at cros purposes here?

the sub domain was simply ease of testing out the newly created directories on new host; once all or both new and old host are working then where the parked domain name resolves to is immaterial, as it will go to one or other of them and they are identical sites, it's a cross over phase.

Not sure how this umbrellas domain you refer to along with it's alias directories work, you'd need perhaps to explain that in more detail to see how it fits - or not- with some of the guidance offered in the previous threads.

Hopefully Chris or Gary can jump in again on this one.

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Quote:once all or both new

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once all or both new and old host are working then where the parked domain name resolves to is immaterial, as it will go to one or other of them and they are identical sites, it's a cross over phase.

But that's just it - they won't. At least I don't think they will.

Following the instructions, I set up a sub-domain on the new host (LP). It has to be accessed by typing site4.topdomain.com.au, while the existing live site on the other host is called site4.com.au. The names are different by virtue of setting it up as a subdomain.

The "umbrella" site is actually the account name at LP - I'll call it topdomain. This is not a 'site' in it's own right in that it has no files of it's own sitting under topdomain. No index, no css and never will have.

However I have moved/setup 3 working sites as addon domains and they sit directly under topdomain (which is why I call it an umbrella). They are accessed by site1.com, site2.com.au, and site3.com.au.

I also have one alias (or what I call a 'parked' site) in that it is site2.com which points and resolves to site2.com.au.

To my mind this new site which I have set up on LP as a subdomain, should really be an addon like sites 1, 2 and 3. So that it too can be accessed by it's proper name site4.com.au, which is what it is on the other host. It will resolve to the LP servers during the test and crossover phase then when I'm happy it's okay (it seems to be in it's current state), I can change the TTL and the DNS at the registrar. Yes?

I'm thinking I actually have to create the addon and move all the files there instead of having them in a subdomain.

Does that help?

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I'm thinking I actually have to create the addon and move all the files there instead of having them in a subdomain.

Well with no confirmation or contradictions then, I'll do that.

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I apologise but I'm still

I apologise but I'm still struggling to get my head around the term 'addon' it strikes me as a control panel invention to some degree, and I'm having difficulty translating it to something I understand.

I would guess that the sub domains approach you is not what you require in this instance and creating that Addon is the correct step.

tbh to understand this personally I would need to be able to see the setup in full i.e the details where the domain names are parked/held and the server setups

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No need to apologise Hugo, I

No need to apologise Hugo, I appreciate that I'm using a host you're not familiar with and the real problem is that I'm not really familiar with anything else but Freehostia, even though I've had to dabble in PlanetDomain for Deb and iPower to get Maggie's sites over. Sad

I think in effect the 'addon' is a subdomain at LP - it just doesn't have to be accessed by subname.topdomain.com and can have any name you like. Can't hurt to try anyway I guess.

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I think I forgot an

I think I forgot an important bit of information which will make sense to you...these 'addon' domains are set up under the public_html directory in the topdomain (accont name).

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The public_html is the Doc

The public_html is the Doc root and is where the server is pointed to serve web pages from, technically anything above that level is inaccessible from a public aspect and is essentially your user account root.

So you can point any number of tld domains example.com to the same server IP and the server will resolve the domain name reaching it to your account and then further to specific directories acting as root level sites.

Can anyone confirm whether I'm right in thinking this is simply a vhost capability yet on a shared hosting account.

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