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ok, i have searched CSS Creator for topics about CMS and found this one to most informative. I'm still not convinced on which one to learn. I bought a book on Jommla!, and should be receiving it tomorrow. I've been told just recently that Joomla! is not the best choice, wich led to me writing this post unsure about my Joomla! choice. So, with that said, I am now looking into CMS Made Simple and drupal. I have no sufficient background in programming what-so-ever. CMS is what the client needs these days, so I must learn CMS. I need a shove in the right direction here. I'm a n00b, and need something easy. I have a Wordpress blog on my site, will I have to re-do this in my new CMS, or can this stay the same?

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It really is going to come

It really is going to come down to what YOU need your site to do.
If you just need an east way to manage content I found CompactCMS to do the job rather well. It is pretty new in the CMS lineup, but the support from the author is pretty quick.

If you are going to need a news system and plugins for God knows what, then I have been a big fan of WordPress as a CMS, it's always done everything I need it to do.

I know Tyssen is a big fan of ExpressionEngine. I am installed it, but couldn't be bothered with spending the time to learn it, but from what I saw, looks like it was pretty complete.

I know there is a giant fan base for Drupal and Joomla. I don't know either one well enough to make a comment.

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None of them do everything

None of them do everything for every situation and the ones that try are so convoluted that it's easier to learn programming and design and write your own CMS that fits your own needs. I'm no big fan of one-size fits all applications.

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I'm not a php/programmer

I'm not a php/programmer either, I'm 100% a designer but do consider myself pretty decent at css/html. Not up to Hugo/Triumph/Stomme...etc. lvl, but good enough to get what I want accomplished. I too knew that I needed to be able to offer more robust/content rich options for people I was designing for. I started a few years ago using php apps like Fusion News for news postings, thyme calendar, etc.. to accomplish some of what I needed. I then got into Drupal due to the size of the community/docs/and overall activity going on with it. It came across, and is, a very active CMS that is constantly updated and has the most amount of modules available compared to the other CMS apps. It is, sadly, rather intimidating at first. From a non-programmer point of view, which is where I come from, just getting your layout to work right or look how you want it to can be challenging, but with a little effort is not that bad.

I think people have misconception that Drupal is this incredibly complex, impossible system to learn (I may be exaggerating a little). To me, it really is not. It just takes a little patience, and most people just try to jump in without taking the time to read as much documentation as they can on it. There's plenty of that. Truth is, any custom piece of complex scripting you want to accomplish, is going to probably be out of the realm of your capabilities (as well as mine), but no CMS is going to fix that. There are, however, hundreds of modules for Drupal that cover most uses you would need.

For instance, I'm building a semi-basic site right now that needs the following:
-User access and role management
-Easily updated news page with recent news block on front page
-Direct to customer File management and delivery system
-Newsletter
-Easily updatable (with a very custom look) site references page, with a recent entries block on front page
-Time Tracker

There's more than just that, but to give you an idea, those are all pretty easily implemented with a Drupal install. I honestly have very little experience with CMS Made Simple or Joomla. I can say that if you were interested in going the Drupal route, I do have a few suggestions:
-Read through the documentation for version 6.0
-Find a php/drupal programmer that can help with custom stuff

Just my thoughts.

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Triumph wrote:None of them

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None of them do everything for every situation

Not out of the box, no, but most of the good ones are easily extentisble, like Drupal, ExpressionEngine etc. I've used ExpressionEngine for a lot of different functionality and there's a whole lot more being done by others out there that I haven't touched on. The reason I've decided to stick with it is because of its flexibility and my belief that it'd be able to handle pretty much anything that anyone came to me with, with the possible exception of ecommerce which it's a bit weak in at the moment but there may be more robust options in the near future.

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Tyssen wrote:... with the

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... with the possible exception of ecommerce which it's a bit weak in at the moment but there may be more robust options in the near future.

Yes, that's one thing I've got to get into. I've done one with credit processing and it really sucked. I hated every second of it.

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I've got to say, I've never

I've got to say, I've never really seen a good implementation of ecommerce into a CMS.
I've always kept them separate whenever possible. But with the same design elements.

WordPress has horrible ecommerce support, there is only one main one and it conflicted with EVERYTHING i had... always got random ISE 500 errors when activating or updating plugins.

I am building a very simple ecommerce solution that only works with authorize.net (as that is the only solution I need) that I will be posting on my site once it's been thoroughly tested. Should be pretty easy to plugin to these CMS sites and possibly even have created into a plugin by someone more competent than myself.

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Deuce wrote:... I am

Deuce wrote:

... I am building a very simple ecommerce solution that only works with authorize.net (as that is the only solution I need) that I will be posting on my site once it's been thoroughly tested. Should be pretty easy to plugin to these CMS sites and possibly even have created into a plugin by someone more competent than myself.

Hmm. I'd be interested in porting it to ASP.NET.

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I think that the choices do

I think that the choices do indeed fall to Drupal, CMSMadeSimple, or EE

I would say that one is likely to find Drupal every bit as frustrating initially as Wordpress was to you (however bear in mind that these are to be expected in the early stages)

I would probably advise CMSMadeSimple initially as the easiest to get to grips with, but that Drupal or perhaps EE will serve better in the long run.

My slight niggle with EE is that one has to licence it and that is an extra cost to have to pass on to client, or not.

Cupid your last question re your existing site and WP implementation, can you elaborate on how you have things set at present ? Does WP run separately from your static site pages? did you intend on running a CMS for your own purposes?

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Two very slim and handy CMS

Two very slim and handy CMS are:

[url='http://www.phpwcms.com']phpwcms[/url]
[url='http://www.typolight.org/index.html']typolight[/url]

both are easy to learn and very easy to customize.
Drupal is a very good CMS of course and it complies with all requirements.
Maybe you have to install an extension from time to time. But it´s complex.
So it really depends on what you´re going to do.

A Matrix to compare CMS. Including Frontend-/Backend-Login to a test-environment.

http://www.cmsmatrix.org/

Maybe helpful as well:
http://www.cmsreview.com/Features/Compare.html

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Hugo wrote: Cupid your last

Hugo wrote:

Cupid your last question re your existing site and WP implementation, can you elaborate on how you have things set at present ? Does WP run separately from your static site pages? did you intend on running a CMS for your own purposes?

I only have WP running my blog. My site is still static and unrelated to WP. I dont see any harm in having CMS run the entire site, so yes. In the future i do intent on a CMS controlling my site.