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okay, I usually ask this every 6 to 8 months or so...

But for those of us who're looking for a universal CSS layout that will look perfectly in all browsers and enable me to just use various classes for all text and image placments etc....

IS there as yet a silver bullet? Something I can d/l and use with no problems at all?

sigh...most likely STILL not...but thought I'd ask again...sigh...

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Hm, yeah. Nobody knows what

Hm, yeah. Nobody knows what you're talking about this time either.

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Gawd no, not yet. Right now

Gawd no, not yet.

Right now I have a (I think fairly simple) rewrite of one of my first (therefore gawdawful) pages.

Konqueror doesn't know how to let inline inputs stack alongside each other like all the other browsers do. It also doesn't know what to do when setting spans a bazillion em's off to the left-- sometimes they are gone but sometimes it thinks "Maybe I'm supposed to wrap those over to the right side of the page instead???" and don't get me started on Konq's idea of what a textarea's col size is. 50 times bigger than any other browser. Gawd I hate that browser. Death to Konq.

Opera is losing my borders on scroll. I see this regularly and it's on no other browsers so I blame an Opera bug. Opera before the 9.6 build series have trouble keeping hovers with sliding sprite background images-- hover from top to bottom and you're okay, try moving from bottom to top and your anchors seem to all get in the way of each other. And you've got a submit disguised as an anchor? You'll never get :hover or :focus styles working on it-- you won't even get your manually-set cursor different. ARG.

Firefox is crawling with more bugs than my old dog was. Wrangling legends (esp trying to make the legends vanish without taking up ANY space when they're supposed to be invisible) is a chore and leaves you with multiple lines of code just for Gecko. &shy not working in tables? Geez. And having the inability to use typical, normal CSS popups in a table using regular position: relative, position: absolute is enough to tear all your hair out and scream in frustration. This on the "faster better smarter more secure" everyone-loves-firefox browser. Plus it's so bloated getting it started is watching a computer actually sit and do calculation. But that's the fault of fans who want their favourite browser to wash windows and come with the kitchen sink.

Safari can't seem to count vertical margins correctly. Anyone you try to either push down or pull up with margins, even margins in px, can't seem to get in the same position as any other browser-- the item is always higher than the others. Making the page look like a moron wrote it (though that's debatable : ) The problems it has with form controls and direction: rtl are inconsistant and trying to use :hover pseudo-states with adjacent selectors is just a no-go. This on top of the Aqua Manga Teen Super Candy Force style it uses to mutilate your once-respectable forms.
Chrome has all the above problems except it doesn't look like a Sailor Moon episode.

Don't get me started on IE. It can rot somewhere.

Magic bullet? No, just the same old hard work we've needed to do. Seriously though I lose hair I would not be doing web building if there was some program you could download and magically everything was written for you and it worked. I'd go back to working in radiology-- at least that comes with a cool name.

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Try not worrying about this

Try not worrying about this and waiting endlessly for someone to provide you with an easy route, rather try mastering the discipline and producing your own default sheet that you use as a general starting base, these are never that detailed though due to the nature of CSS-P there is no such thing as a universal set of styles and won't ever be, thankfully!

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Wait, you guys knew what the

Wait, you guys knew what the topic means? I guess I owe an apology.

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Ah...sliver bullet means --

Ah...sorry. thought ALL would know what that term meant....my own exposure goes back 50+ years in front of that 14" B&W tv set watching "The Lone Ranger"....sigh...days gone by!

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-sil1.htm

http://www.audioenglish.net/dictionary/silver_bullet.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/silver-bullet

tons more..but that should help pass along this metaphore....

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PS...sad that there ain't such a puppy too...

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Thought it was a reference

Thought it was a reference to hunting wearwolves Smile

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Hugo wrote:Thought it was a

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Thought it was a reference to hunting wearwolves Smile

Yeah, me, too. I was thinking IE = werewolves. :?

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I thought IE was

I thought IE was Frankenstein's monster and NN was the werewolf :?

oops so that's how you spell werewolf Smile

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Well, whatever we're talking

Well, whatever we're talking about the message is clear. There are no good results without hard work. Sorry to disappoint but this isn't a lazy man's profession.

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Quote:Sorry to disappoint

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Sorry to disappoint but this isn't a lazy man's profession.

Looking at my competitors, who get paid so much more than me, I'm not so sure. But then, they only have to write for IE and it doesn't have to be, like, valid or anything. And Javascript does everything else, like form validation >: (

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Stomme poes

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Sorry to disappoint but this isn't a lazy man's profession.

Looking at my competitors, who get paid so much more than me, I'm not so sure. But then, they only have to write for IE and it doesn't have to be, like, valid or anything. And Javascript does everything else, like form validation >: (

Of course there are some jokers out there that can't be concerned with doing things right because there's billing to be done! Wink

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Lawlz, yeah. Sigh.

Lawlz, yeah. Sigh.

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Poes if you want to be well

Poes if you want to be well paid don't be a frontend coder, it's the backend scripters that get paid the money and afforded all the respect and all the while they can get away with absolutely no idea how to pull a web site together or care not one little jot for standards; it is a truly bizarre and immature industry we work in :shrug:

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Hugo wrote:Poes if you want

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Poes if you want to be well paid don't be a frontend coder, it's the backend scripters that get paid the money and afforded all the respect and all the while they can get away with absolutely no idea how to pull a web site together or care not one little jot for standards; it is a truly bizarre and immature industry we work in :shrug:

Hey. HEY! :curse:

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If I wanted the Big Money

If I wanted the Big Money I'd program Java. : )

But still... a competitor of my hubby's company has a group of nerds they hire to build their web-side stuff... more front-end than back. And it smells. And they are slow. And they get paid boku bucks. Which means, I'm working for the wrong company. : )

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Triumph wrote:Hugo

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Poes if you want to be well paid don't be a frontend coder, it's the backend scripters that get paid the money and afforded all the respect and all the while they can get away with absolutely no idea how to pull a web site together or care not one little jot for standards; it is a truly bizarre and immature industry we work in :shrug:

Hey. HEY! :curse:

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yeah you no who you are Tongue

Now I clearly don't wish to come across as having a chip on my shoulder or anything like that Smile but the next time I hear of a backend scripter being let loose on css with next to no experience, but has dabbled a little and therefore and seeing as css is basically dead easy they might as well be given it as part of their job spec I shall go quietly apoplectic with rage :curse:

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I think I would surely like

I think I would surely like to see "the Wrath of Hugo throughout the office" as it just sounds great.

It's not just CSS they dabble in... my HTML has found itself filled with s and foo plenty of times : (

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The fear of incurring my

The fear of incurring my wrath seems to have worked though, everyone's so scared of touching files that contain any HTML, or even the base level of backend scripting that I have to do that I get asked very tentatively whether they can add and edit those files Smile I of course magnanimously allow this but under strict supervision and when I see a single instance of '&' I huff and I puff tut and tsk I also have a sneaky habit of opening many files in my editor just so I can see if anyone tries to edit one without begging permission. Does it sound as though I'm probably a nightmare to work with? Laughing out loud

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