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It's UP!! Laughing out loud I took my courage in both hands a little while ago and after a demo at a Mac retailer this afternoon Tongue

"nothing was stirring, not even a mouse.." well maybe the mouse. It's so quiet . I'm used to the varied sounds of something akin to a 747 accompanying me - it's rather lonely now :rolleyes: .

So can I puddle around downloading things I might need (or do, like FF and an editor so I can get back to the job at hand) or should I install VirtualBox before anything?

....but it is very purty.

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Now you have to work out

Now you have to work out what the pretzel key does Smile

You can install virtual box at any time , it's not imperative that you do so right away.

Wish I had gerbil OS, still running with chipmunk or something, why do I find this naming convention of theirs so hard to remember :?

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Quote:Now you have to work

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Now you have to work out what the pretzel key does

Is that what you call it!! I couldn't come up with a name but that its perfick Smile

Good-o on the VB, I can spend tomorrow trying to get to know what the function keys do and adding tabs where and when I want and where my Bookmark folders are (or how to create them) and all the important stuff Laughing out loud

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Quote:Now you have to work

You have to hold the pretzel key and hit -> to get to the end of the line instead of just "end" Tongue

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My my; and it seems like

My my; and it seems like only yesterday that I was trying to reassure Hugo that he was doing the right thing buying a Mac ...sigh! ...or is my memory failing me? ...parp!

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so you were, although of

Smile so you were, although of course I'd always been a huge fanboy, and now an expert in all things Mac :rolleyes:

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Smee wrote:You have to hold

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You have to hold the pretzel key and hit -> to get to the end of the line instead of just "end" Tongue

Actually...that was ctl-Rarr :rolleyes:

Wel! After the week I've had! Busy as the proverbial bee and trying to find my way around this thing in addition - what happened to folders/sub-folders? I can't live without folders/sub-folders!!!

Safari Bookmarks! Hrrumph!! I cannot create subfolders. I have tried highlighting and +ing - I have tried drag 'n drop - nada. They're all on the top level which is useless.

Had to download an FF3 "theme" so I could tell Safari and FF apart and found it had been "Mac-ed", so now I'm "pimped" Laughing out loud but it was the best one I could have chosen because it gives me back the "new folder" button in Bookmarks THAT was driving me insane!!!

And how do I make ALL edges of the browser/app dragable? I have to keep it on the left so I can get to the RH bottom corner and then of course the close/min/max are top right :rolleyes: This is not very handy.

My eyes are crossed by Googling and trying to find some apps I can start with but a bonus was finding Abiword. I really needed a WP app and this I can highly recommend as a seamless transfer from Word.

I tried to download Aquamacs but the connection kept failing till I discovered where it was being set to timeout. :mad: 91MB on dialup takes forevah!!! It isn't the cost - I only pay $110pa for unlimited time/MB - but something like 9 hours??? Eventually I gave up and downloaded Arachnophilia again. That's the one I sctually started with last year. Written in Java so runs on anything, 1.5MB takes literally 5 mins to dnload and install and you're ready to go. I'll go back to PSPad when I get Windows back, but for now I'll manage - I think, I hope...fingers crossed.

Finding things is a nightmare!!! Sad

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Finding things is a little

Finding things is a little different as Macs follow more of a Nix pattern in terms of directory structure but that's a good thing, and worth studying a little the file system.

Remember you have 'Spotlight' to search for things and it's pretty good at finding stuff and very quickly. far better than MS files folder search

Pretzel key is really the command key and I believe in later versions the key is labelled as such, it's primarily the key combo shortcut preface.

Download TextWrangler it's a decent code/text editor and it doesn't hurt to have a few choices available.

Download xfolders as this is a much more powerful app than 'Finder' and makes life a bit easier.

Can you not find a WiFi hotspot or establishment that provides WiFi access and that might have faster connection which you could use for larger downloads?

Oh Safari stinks, Camino is a browser developed for the Mac and is far better web dev stuff aside it's possibly better than FF on a Mac

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Remember you have 'Spotlight' to search for things and it's pretty good at finding stuff and very quickly. far better than MS files folder search

The thing is I'm not used to using Search. When I file something I know what folder/subfolder I put it in and I want to go directly there and look - particularly when I can't remember it's name - like an ebook, I will have an ebook folder and then subject subsfolders A,B and C - then B might have two more subs and I know it's in there (or I want to file something with it) but know the subject but not it's name.

Pretzel - yes I sort of worked that out with pretz-c and pretz-v...had to be different didn't they...there's a perfectly good Ctl key sitting 2 keys away. :rolleyes:

Textwrangler - I was back hunting up the other thread to find out what the other suggestions were when you were posting this, so I saw it there. Will go and check it out along with xfolders.

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Can you not find a WiFi hotspot or establishment that provides WiFi access and that might have faster connection which you could use for larger downloads?

I don't think so - I must be in a WiFi desert Sad How do I find out?

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Oh Safari stinks, Camino is a browser developed for the Mac and is far better web dev stuff aside it's possibly better than FF on a Mac

Shock Now you tell me! Here I was trying to be a good little soldier and try to like and get on with all the new bells and whistles...what else should I not bother with? Laughing out loud

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I'll second (or third?)

I'll second (or third?) Textwrangler. I still prefer FF over both Camino and Safari.

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Smee wrote:... what happened

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... what happened to folders/sub-folders? I can't live without folders/sub-folders!!!

Huh? What? Um.

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Safari Bookmarks! Hrrumph!! I cannot create subfolders. I have tried highlighting and +ing - I have tried drag 'n drop - nada. They're all on the top level which is useless.

Dunno. I just tried it and made the bookmark folders with some inside of them. :shrug:

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And how do I make ALL edges of the browser/app dragable? I have to keep it on the left so I can get to the RH bottom corner and then of course the close/min/max are top right :rolleyes: This is not very handy.

After a year and a half of using Windows I'm still looking over there to close the windows. The best part about Mac OS is closing the windows does NOT close the app and you can use the "pretzel"- n to open a new window. Windows wastes more of my time starting the app again than anything else. Tongue

I agree with Hugo in that I also prefer Camino over Safari and Firefox. However, on Windows I actually prefer Safari over FF.

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@Hugo - well I looked up the wireless info and the answer is no. Have also downloaded Xfolders and can't work out what that does :rolleyes: No use at all as far as I can see, but I have worked out how to create folders in the HD under my username by right clicking on the blue bar. I can only seem to add folders at the top level BUT I can then drag them to become sub-folders of whatever I want Tongue Clumsy it may be but at least I've got folders to dnload the website files from the server and know I've
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2) where they are. Whew!

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I'll second (or third?) Textwrangler. I still prefer FF over both Camino and Safari.

Ummm...well I'm swimming upstream again then :blushing:

I dnloaded TextWrangler and it's nekid Shock With a 270 page manual!
I don't have time to read that! So I dnloaded Aquamacs and that's the same Sad

I want Projects and buttons please - I think I'm going to have a look at W3C's Amaya next - at least it's got icons Smile.

As to Camino - I have a relative familiarity with FF at the moment, it's the only thing that works at expected so I think I shall hang on to that tiny comfort zone for a while longer Smile

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Triumph wrote:Huh? What? Um.

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Huh? What? Um.

That's about what I said Smile Never mind, I have found a way to sort of do what I want (read above). As to the bookmarks, I don't think I'll even bother getting more closely acquainted with Safari now that FF is behaving itself. Thanks for looking though! I do appreciate it. Smile

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Smee - I too don't

Smee - I too don't understand what the problem is with folders ...or am I misunderstanding your problem?

From the desktop (when you can see 'Finder' in the left of the top menu) go to File > New Folder. Name it what you like by clicking twice (slowly) on the filename e.g. 'Clients'. Now open the folder and create more new folders inside it using File > New Folder. You can colour the folders, rename them, or drag them from folder to folder. Is this what you don't understand or is there something else more complex?

Personally I have a row of folders down the left of my desktop for my main clients, with work structured inside in more folders such as 'logo', 'brochure', 'old pics', 'new pics', 'website masters' etc. I have folders in a row across the top of my desktop for non-client things such as 'invoices', 'accounts', 'web ref', 'family pics' etc. I keep the right side free for newly created or downloaded files, and the bottom edge for work in progress that I will later put into another folder. This means I can always see a folder by simply moving a window to one side, although if I have lots of windows open I simply press F11.

It sounds to me like you're over-complicating things by thinking in Windows terms. The Mac is far simpler but you may have to un-train yourself into a more logical way of working.

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Hi Roy I just couldn't get

Hi Roy Smile

I just couldn't get the hang of things - but I'm going to leave all those instructions for tomorrow when I'm not so cross-eyed. Sounds as though I may just be able to make sense of them though Smile

I was also trying not to keep all my folders on the desktop. One thing - I found something under "More" (by r-clicking a folder in HD) which says "enable folders" am I supposed to do anything with that?

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No - that's for creating

No - that's for creating folder scripts. Ignore that for now.

Yes, yes - I keep all my (nestled) folders on the desktop too, as I told you.

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important thing here is not

Smile important thing here is not to get too overwhelmed with all the differences, and as Roy says to some extent you have to re-learn stuff on a simpler level, file systems are a lot simpler which in a way can throw one used to Windoze.

Remember, if I'm not mistaken, you have an advanced desktop (Stacks & Spaces) with gerbil easily switchable so in theory one desktop could show your folders and another - if that one were too cluttered - could be used for other tasks.

TextWrangler is a pretty straightforward editor but bear in mind it doesn't quite work as a Windows app does, but it's pretty similar.

Xfolders is simply an extended advanced folder/file manager offering more than the somewhat limited Finder, both being the equivalent of Windows Explorer. You may not require it's features which is fine don't worry about it but keep it available for the time being Finder should suit your purposes.

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Finally I have time to eat

Finally I have time to eat lunch (2.30pm) and get back to this.

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Is this what you don't understand or is there something else more complex?

You have helped immeasurably Smile Dragging the Documents folder to my desktop means I can now D-click it and see all the folders/subfolders within. By R-clicking on the blue "name" bar I can create a new folder at what ever level is showing. OTOH I can R-click one of those folders and "open" and then R-click on the blue name bar and create whatever subfolders I want within that folder.

So I really only need the Documents and Pictures folders on my desktop now Smile and I'm a happy little vegemite. I was just having trouble creating the folders where I wanted them - now it all works. Thank you!

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... I keep the right side free for newly created or downloaded files,

One thing I'm still not sure of - when you've downloaded something and it's still sitting over on the right after you've done the installation drag to applications bit, if it has "eject xxxx" I take it you can because it has already put a copy in the Applications folder, is that right? .dmg files etc or do you have to drag them the Download folder?

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t sounds to me like you're over-complicating things by thinking in Windows terms. The Mac is far simpler but you may have to un-train yourself into a more logical way of working.

The main problem was I didn't realise I had to "open" a folder before I could create a subfolder. I always expected to see a "new folder" option when R-clicking, but that didn't happen. It still seems to me there are more steps than there needs to be but at least I now know how the structure works Smile

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Hugo wrote:...to some extent

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...to some extent you have to re-learn stuff on a simpler level, file systems are a lot simpler which in a way can throw one used to Windoze.

Hi Hugo Smile

I don't know that it's simpler. Documents is now the equivalent to me of Windows Explorer C: My problem was
navigate to folder > R-click > "where's the "new folder" command?"
Now all is solved Smile

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Remember, if I'm not mistaken, you have an advanced desktop (Stacks & Spaces) with gerbil easily switchable so in theory one desktop could show your folders and another - if that one were too cluttered - could be used for other tasks.

:ohdear: Now you've done it! I haven't investigated Spaces yet (and I loathe Stacks) and a gerbil? Search tells me it's a burrowing mouse! Shock Finder doesn't know about it either :shrug:

Another desktop eh? Must look in the next year or two :rolleyes:

BUT I lurrve the Dashboard and I found a whole HEAP of handy things in there when I clicked the circle with the cross in the bottom LH corner Laughing out loud

Sorry guys...TextWrangler just isn't my cup of tea, straightforward is an understatement. Don't want menus, want buttons. Go look at PSPad - it got Cleva Treva intrigued enough to download and comment that it "looks promising" and it suits me down to the ground.

As for Amaya - don't go anywhere near it! It tries to do everything for you and then won't let you change the code because it "knows better" Hummmph! Not even a 4.01 Strict if you please. Double Hummmph!

Xfolders can sit there for the moment - now I have come to grips with Finder I'm much happier, I now have an anchor as it were.

Aptana currently downloading :rolleyes:

ETA: Aaah...have just seen your first post at the top again. I have to tell you gerbil does not match my luverly new FF3 coat which has a Leopard skin background to the tabs Tongue

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I don't know that it's simpler. Documents is now the equivalent to me of Windows Explorer C: My problem was
navigate to folder > R-click > "where's the "new folder" command?"

Shock
Well, you'll never find it simpler if you insist on using the long-cuts. Smile

Did you actually move the Documents folder to your desktop or did you make an alias? Better yet, I'd drop it in the Dock.

PSPad. Umm, I don't know. It's kinda cheesy.

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Gerbil, Chaffinch, Snow

Gerbil, Chaffinch, Snow Leopard, simply can't get this naming convention rooted in order of latest and greatest, have I got Tiger or Leopard, or was Panther one of them ? is a Leopard cooler, better, than a tiger? :shrug:

Stacks looks a bit silly, Spaces on the other hand useful I like the quick switches I can do in my Ubuntu installation.

Dasbboard is good and you can also set hot spots in the screen corners that trigger events, so moving mouse to extreme top left corner brings my dashboard up right top triggers all open apps to arrange themselves all in view so that I can quickly select between them.

Once the app is installed to apps folder you can eject the dmz as it's only mounted for the purpose of installing, it's worth understanding the principle of mounting things as it's a core and fundamental difference from Windows and confused me slightly.

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Longcut? R-click > "new"

Longcut? Shock R-click > "new" hardly seems like a longcut :?
Haven't worked out what an Alias is yet...oh wait...did a help query and found, would you believe, an item called "making items easier to find". Under Alias. Where else? :rolleyes: Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

Oh look, Finder has a sidebar? Must Find it. Smile

Don't actually like the Documents in the Dock T, I think I'm happy with the folder on the desktop at the moment - then at least I know where it is and where I am Wink

But hey! Keep the suggestions coming...I'm saving them for when I get up to them, if you have any idea of what I mean Smile

Oooh..you snuck an extra comment in while I was typing - what do you mean cheesy Laughing out loud Cheeky thing! I'm not a coder remember?

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Dasbboard is good and you can also set hot spots in the screen corners that trigger events, so moving mouse to extreme top left corner brings my dashboard up...

You could, of course, just click your scroll button Smile But I did set a RH top hotspot wondering what it would do - hoping that it would be a drag corner actually, but nope. However I agree - it did show me all open apps which is very handy.

Stacks are not only silly but what you want is never in it!

Good-oh on the "eject" but the question really was...if I install something, then eject the .dmg, then stuff or lose the app - where is it to reinstall if I've ejected the .dmg?

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Aaagh! Aptana just finished

Aaagh! Aptana just finished downloading and when I dclicked it gives me a warning that the disk image failed to mount!

"Aptana_Studio_Setup.dmg not recognised"

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Longcut? Shock R-click > "new" hardly seems like a longcut :?

Fancy a race? Wink

Choose an objective and I'll even unplug my mouse. Laughing out loud

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Alright Smartypants How do

Laughing out loud Alright Smartypants Tongue How do you do it then?

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Laughing out loud Alright Smartypants Tongue How do you do it then?

Apple* - Shift - n

Tongue I'm already done. Are you still messing with the contextual?

* or "pretzel" in Hugoese.

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isn't it where the file

isn't it where the file downloaded to? or is that stating the obvious? my dmg will download to my desktop, from there I usually throw it in the trash when finished installing it.

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Apple* - Shift - n

Tongue I'm already done. Are you still messing with the contextual?

* or "pretzel" in Hugoese.

Smile just cos there is a pic of an apple there's no need to be so obvious :rolleyes:

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Apple* - Shift - n

Tongue I'm already done. Are you still messing with the contextual?

Ooooh! It did tooo! Ta T Smile

So why didn't apple-sh-x delete it? Sad

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Repeat 'cos y'all missed

Repeat 'cos y'all missed it

Aaagh! Aptana just finished downloading and when I dclicked it gives me a warning that the disk image failed to mount!

"Aptana_Studio_Setup.dmg not recognised"

But it may be because it's only 119MB not 135MB as it's supposed to be. I hate it when it doesn't tell you it muffed it :mad:

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Smee wrote:So why didn't

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So why didn't apple-sh-x delete it? Sad

Silly. Wink

Apple - backspace = throw it in the trash
Apple - Shift - backspace = empty trash

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I'm not sure you realize

I'm not sure you realize that your first Mac comes with a hazing ritual. I'm not sure I'm allowed to tell you about it at this early stage though.

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Oh. Right. apple-bsp. Makes

Oh. Right. apple-bsp. Makes no sense at all :rolleyes:

Hazing ritual? This is the first I've heard of this! Doooo go on. Or is it when you reformat the HD?

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Smee wrote:Oh. Right.

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Oh. Right. apple-bsp. Makes no sense at all :rolleyes:

backspace says "Delete" on apply keyboards.

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Hazing ritual? This is the first I've heard of this! Doooo go on. Or is it when you reformat the HD?

No, it's just general abuse. Laughing out loud

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[quote+T]backspace says

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backspace says "Delete" on apply keyboards.

Yes I have come to realise that perverse nomenclature - they could have at least put an arrow or something. However I was actually referring to the non-logic of backspace rather than x.

Ack! Just think - you've all got months of this to come Tongue

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No, it's just general abuse. Laughing out loud

Oh very funny Laughing out loud

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Ta da!

Ta da! *drum roll*...aaaannd the winner is....EditRocket! Laughing out loud

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Why?

Why? I see nothing that sets that editor above any of the other similar editors, except the price.

I may have missed it, but I saw no mention of key mapped tag insertion. Drop down menus plus point and click slow production compared to keeping your hands on the keyboard.

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While it's true I've only

While it's true I've only got a 30 day free trial, that should be enough to let me get the msavers skeleton site up (in fact I've told Deb I'll have something up by 5 Jan :scared: ).

I think It's s comfort zone thing Gary Smile....I just don't need to be learning a whole new set of key commands for the editor while I'm learning to drive the system. At least if I do decide to stick with a Mac editor, it isn't expensive Smile

And yes, you did miss it - at least I think this is it Help index

ETA: Oops...that's local host and not the Tag Builder...

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HTML Tag Builder

EditRocket provides an HTML Tag Builder Tool creating HTML tags and attributes applicable to the tag.

The Tag Builder Tool displays a dropdown box of all available HTML tags, such as anchor, table, etc. Based on the selected tag, the tag builder displays all applicable attributes for the tag broken down into attributes (charset, name, href, etc.), standard attributes (id, style, etc.), and event attributes (onclick, onfocus, etc.)

Based on the tag and the attributes that the user selects, the Tag Builder creates the tag syntax and can either copy the text into the current active editor, or copy the text to the system clipboard.

See the screen shots page for screen shots of the HTML Tag Builder.

ETA #2: It's at the bottom of the "EditRocket" link above under Additional Features.

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gary.turner wrote:Why?

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Why? ...

... and now back to TextWrangler. Tongue

EditRocket is needlessly complex while offering nothing extra. I guess I just don't see the advantage.

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Smee wrote:Dragging the

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Dragging the Documents folder to my desktop means I can now D-click it and see all the folders/subfolders within. By R-clicking on the blue "name" bar I can create a new folder at what ever level is showing.

I don't understand what you're doing, or should I say 'why'! The Desktop is actually just a folder (directory) inside your 'user' directory, which OSX cleverly manipulates to turn it into something that resembles what a Mac 'desktop' interface used to be like before OSX came along. OSX is a flavour of the Linux OS and is therefore based on a Unix-like kernel, so OSX does what it does in order to present a Mac face within a Unix-like framework (file-tree structure). All-in-all it works very well, but you can forget most of the 'rules' you learnt with Windows.

You don't have to use the Documents folder/directory for anything if you don't want to - just create new folders and sub-folders direct on your Desktop in a structure that suits your workflow logic. Don't try and remove the Documents folder though, as some apps (e.g. MS Office) still use it to (incorrectly and illogically in my view) store system files. I've never used the Documents folder for as long as it first appeared in the Mac OS and it's never done me any harm!

When you configure auto-downloads, or when you create new documents, just tell the system to put everything on your desktop, just as you would in the real world. Then you can drag it to it's logical home. The point is, unlike the Windows way of doing things, you don't have to go hunting for new files if you always know that they'll be placed on your desktop - on the right-hand side.

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By R-clicking on the blue "name" bar...

I can't relate to this 'cause I've always been a traditional 'one button' (or just press the mouse) sort o' guy Smile

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So I really only need the Documents and Pictures folders on my desktop

Again, you don't have to use this folder to store your pictures if you don't want to, although some apps will do so for you (e.g. iPhoto). I store pictures to suit my workflow, as detailed in a previous post. The only time I ever need to look into Documents or Pictures is if I'm delving into the innards of Office or iPhoto.

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One thing I'm still not sure of - when you've downloaded something and it's still sitting over on the right after you've done the installation drag to applications bit, if it has "eject xxxx" I take it you can because it has already put a copy in the Applications folder, is that right?

Yes. The system has created/mounted a kind of virtual volume, which you can then delete/eject. That bit of the interface has always seemed a bit illogical to me, although I know where they're coming from. OSX is not a perfect interface yet!

Don't keep the install files because if you ever need to reinstall an app, the chances are it'll have been updated, thus you should always download the latest version at the time you wish to install it.

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The main problem was I didn't realise I had to "open" a folder before I could create a subfolder. I always expected to see a "new folder" option when R-clicking, but that didn't happen.

To create a new folder, go to File > New folder, or just use shift-cmd-N. As for opening a parent folder first: surely that's just logical - no?

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I don't know that it's simpler. Documents is now the equivalent to me of Windows Explorer C

As I said: you don't need to touch Documents if you don't want to. Treat the desktop just like a real desktop with real folders containing real documents. The whole 'desktop' metaphor was first utilised as a GUI by Apple before Windows had ever been conceived, albeit that they developed it from an idea by Xerox, who allowed them to use it in return for Apple stock. So forget about all things Windows and return to a far simpler logic - well, for most things at least!

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roytheboy wrote:... OSX is a

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... OSX is a flavour of the Linux OS ...

Shock

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Chris..S wrote:roytheboy

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... OSX is a flavour of the Linux OS ...

Shock

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Roy, I think the Darwin kernel is more derived from FreeBSD than from Linux. It is POSIX compatible, so Gnu utilities, and other *nix based apps will run on it.

It is reasonable to consider OSX to be "Linux like", with a more handsome GUI.

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Yes, yes; only a few days

Yes, yes; only a few days ago on a different forum I wrote "OSX is built on Mach 3.0 and FreeBSD 5". I was attempting to keep things relatively simple here by drawing a comparison between OSX and Linux, and the way they both run on a Unix-based core which gives them both their stability, security and logically structured base. I've used Macs since the very first model in 1985, when Pagemaker (v.1) blew me away and converted me to what became known as DTP. I've forgotten more about Macs than many people know so forgive me if I haven't quoted the facts completely correctly.

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Triumph wrote:EditRocket is

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EditRocket is needlessly complex while offering nothing extra. I guess I just don't see the advantage.

It's got buttons T - what can I say? I like buttons, I'm used to buttons and I like having the panel on the left to see where I am and to just dclick a file to open it. And being able to have/see more than one file open in tabs or sumthin. Okay...let's face it - I like fluffy editors :blushing:

However I do have a problem with getting it to show in FF - I'm currently dnloading MAMP but I'll start another thread for that I think - stay tuned Smile

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I don't understand what you're doing, or should I say 'why'! The Desktop is actually just a folder (directory) inside your 'user' directory,

Yep, got that bit.

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...OSX is a flavour of the Linux OS and is therefore based on a Unix-like kernel, so OSX does what it does in order to present a Mac face within a Unix-like framework (file-tree structure).

Ummm...but does it come with fries? Since I don't understand OSX, Linux or Unix I think I'm a a bit of a disadvantage here Sad

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You don't have to use the Documents folder/directory for anything if you don't want to - just create new folders and sub-folders direct on your Desktop...

That's just it though. I do like the Documents folder because up until 18 months ago 95% of what I used a computer for was text-based. I still don't want my genealogy stuff mixed in with the job applications which are mixed in with my html files - nor do I want all those different folders cluttering up my desktop.

Different horses for different courses. I prefer to keep the desktop as clean as possible, on the old system the only icons I had on the desktop were applications, frequently used stuff like CoolRuler, Slayer Office's color picker, Word and a couple of other things sat in the taskbar. The Dock now has all the apps so putting the Documents and Pictures folders on the Desktop is currently a suitable in-between for me to access folders for my subjects.

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Again, you don't have to use this folder to store your pictures if you don't want to, although some apps will do so for you (e.g. iPhoto). I store pictures to suit my workflow, as detailed in a previous post.

I use the pictures folder because I often download many more pics than I need so I can open them all up and compare side by side (I'm really going to miss the old clunky Photo Editor Sad) to see which was the best for the purpose - i.e. the little bird at the bottom of the bakehouse home page. I had about 8 different ones I dnloaded into mypics>birds & butterflies and I knew they were there for other things. If I had loaded them all into the bakehouse folder it would be cluttered with pics I'll never need there but may use somewhere else. So it makes sense to me but possibly not to anyone else Smile

Perhaps I am trying to force a Win view onto the Mac but I'm just trying to start in a way so that I'll currently be able to find things. As I become more comfortable with the Mac - and you guys keep the teaching up Smile - hopefully I'll be able to adjust some of my thinking.

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When you configure auto-downloads, or when you create new documents, just tell the system to put everything on your desktop, just as you would in the real world. Then you can drag it to it's logical home.

See? That's a good hint right there! Ta Roy Smile
Thanks also for the info on not needing to keep the installers.

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As for opening a parent folder first: surely that's just logical - no?

Weeeell not in Win Smile - I just clicked the folder to highlight and then (create) new folder, it will automagically create it in the folder that's highlighted without having to open it as a parent.

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Treat the desktop just like a real desktop with real folders containing real documents.

Then I'd have hundreds there Shock The difference I think between a home user (me) and a professional (you guys) Smile

Thanks for the detailed explanations Roy, despite what may appear to be my truculence - I am learning things and what may appear to be second nature to you all because you understand the OS-es, a somewhat throwaway line will end up being gold to me. Smile

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rubber ducky wrote:It's got

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It's got buttons T - what can I say? I like buttons, I'm used to buttons and I like having the panel on the left to see where I am and to just dclick a file to open it. And being able to have/see more than one file open in tabs or sumthin. Okay...let's face it - I like fluffy editors

I saw nothing in the specs that isn't available in a number of free, as in beer, editors. More importantly, if you're going to use your computator seriously (and web development is serious work), the more you go to the mouse to click buttons and menus, the more you break the the physical rhythm of typing and the mental rhythm of composition. If your editor doesn't allow for totally mouse-free operation, it is slowing you down. There is no way you can stop typing, grab the mouse, find the menu and its dropdown item, click it, and return your hands and mind to the keyboard faster than you can simply type the tag as you maintain your continuity of thought. As you learn your more common key-mapped tags, your speed will increase even more. I confess to using only a few shortcut key combos;

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Ummm...but does it come with fries? Since I don't understand OSX, Linux or Unix I think I'm a a bit of a disadvantage here...

Weeeell not in Win - I just clicked the folder to highlight and then (create) new folder, it will automagically create it in the folder that's highlighted without having to open it as a parent.

In all these OSes, the idea is the same, files reside in folders/directories which reside in other folders/directories. Win is different in that it has multiple file systems, E.g. C:\, A:\, etc.. Unix has only a single file system, and / is its base. All other directories, even discs or another computer's files are mounted to the one tree.

When you click that folder's icon or name in Win, that opens the folder, so choosing to create a new folder is exactly the same as in the more modern OS. Win just hides the operation farther behind the GUI. (It could be that it works on the path, but the effect is the same.) Use the command line, DOS, and you don't have to open the parent, but if you don't, you must specify the path in the mkdir command.

As to file organization, that's mostly up to personal preference for your documents and photos. I am one who does not use the desktop folder for much of anything; I usually have it covered with open apps. I've never found any advantage to dragging and dropping files into the apps.

Setting up your web server will define some directories which you should go with. I'll chime in on that thread.

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Setting up your web server will define some directories which you should go with. I'll chime in on that thread.

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Rubber Ducky is right Gary -

Rubber Ducky is right Gary - I currently feel I'm all at sea in one!!! Laughing out loud

I loaded a new avatar in honour but can't see it Sad

I do understand what you're saying about the key combos and I don't use buttons for that. However when I type

I like it to automagically put the closing tag there and if I click on one I like it to highlight it's mate (handy for divs). What I like the buttons for is to highlight and cut a chunk of code so that I can paste it elsewhere (with pretzel-v Smile) and some simple other things like that. I actually don't use the menus and all the fancy bits much at all.

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Triumph has made a valiant start on that thread, but I fear that it will require all the might and weight of our forces and will likely be a long siege Smile

Hi Hugo! Smile Yes I fear I've given poor Triumph nightmares Laughing out loud MAMP is still going on the second dnload and it is soooo slow and painful to do anything else I'm going to quit and watch TV tonight. I do not want to jeopardize this one!

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