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Laughing out loud Well...you did encourage me!

So I went and found something to play with...BB

I've been trying for a while, so if we can just tackle them "bit by bit"? Smile

First up... IE6 shows the body text the right size but FF doesn't?

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Smee wrote:First up... IE6

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First up... IE6 shows the body text the right size but FF doesn't?

Ummm...yes, well that would be because I scrolled the browser down :rolleyes:

Moving right along...does anyone else get a black flash (presumably from the LighBox) when moving between pages? Anyway to get rid of it?

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They look to be the same to

They look to be the same to me! FF shows a size of 16px based on the 1em body and 1em #content declared property values.

Personally I would set body font size in percentage along with a line height, (not sure what the size on the html element achives) and state a percentage size for the generic paragraph element, don't really like the font-size on a container (#content) and it's simply the default size regardless, all elements of body should inherit the default size set excepting possibly table elements and h#.

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Ummm...yes, well that would be because I scrolled the browser down

yes that might have had a bearing on the problem, should have waited before replying :rolleyes:

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I didn't see any flash,

I didn't see any flash, black or otherwise. Checked only in FF3, though. You should specify which browser is giving you fits.

Ack! A gallery is a list.

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yes that might have had a bearing on the problem, should have waited before replying :rolleyes:

Ack! Sorreeee Smile But who else gives you so much fun here? Laughing out loud

And if you want to bend your mind to it...there are 4 'puns' on the bakehouse theme on the first page.

Aren't you proud of me though? It looks as though I might have actually absorbed - I won't say learned - a few things. Smile

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Hi Gary Hmmm...I was

Hi Gary Smile

Hmmm...I was definitely getting a flash and I still am in FF2 :?

As to the list - I just followed the instructions and errm...it worked. Surprised the life out of me!

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Vickie you might want to

Vickie you might want to look into what is happening with that page/site and IE as it's causing IE to have fits , anytime I try and access links I get the alert "about to view page over secure connection" and I can't go further,

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What version of IE are you

What version of IE are you using? It's fine with IE6 - at least I'm not getting anything like that (and never have).

I set it up as a sub domain under my main freehostia.com account and it accepted it and all.

What could the matter be? :?

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Hmm not sure what's

Hmm not sure what's happening here I was checking in IE6, I would put it down to an issue with my browser for the moment if your not seeing it, but I haven't really time to delve too deeply into what is occurring at the moment.

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I'll put all the pages

I'll put all the pages through the link checker - haven't done that for a while and I just picked up a page to page internal one, so I'll check them all via W3C.

ETA: No, sorry Hugo. All links are fine except the one for the big garden pic (home and garden pages) which W3C tells me is broken and 404s. I re-squished the jpg to 401kb and it still doesn't like it. Is it too big?

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Couldn't spot that graphic,

Couldn't spot that graphic, but yes at 401Kb it would be far too large, largish graphics would be around 30kb ~ 50kb as a loose rule of thumb

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re the flash: Cannot

re the flash: Cannot replicate in FF2, Opera9.51 and IE6 in Win98, FF3, IE7 and Safari in Vista or FF3, Opera9.51 and Epiphany (using Webkit engine) in Linux.

re the gallery: Replace the div with ul, and wrap each link/img in an li. There is no compelling reason to abandon semantic markup.

You're one of the few fortunates who managed to learn html/css correctly from the git-go. It is time to reinforce those lessons rather than abandon them because the example you followed is poorly marked.

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Hugo wrote:Couldn't spot

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Couldn't spot that graphic, but yes at 401Kb it would be far too large, largish graphics would be around 30kb ~ 50kb as a loose rule of thumb

It's the one before the letterbox in the first group on the home page. I've got it down to 135kb but think I'll have to ask for a better/smaller starting point - the originals are just toooo big to begin with.

It just cannot follow the link...but it used to, this has only just started. I've stared and stared at this and retyped it and redone the image - what am I missing please? It can find the tn_garden01.JPG and the other pics in the images folder - why not this one?

<a href="images/lb_garden01.JPG" rel="lightbox[bb_home]" title="A part of the lovely garden">
            <img src="images/tn_garden01.JPG" width="125" height="120" alt="A part of the lovely garden"></a>
          <a href="images/lb_postbox.JPG" rel="lightbox[bb_home]" title="We didn't have the heart to change it">
            <img src="images/tn_postbox.JPG" width="125" height="120" alt="We didn't have the heart to change it"></a>

I've also attached a snapshot of the Freehostia directory so you can check the path (ignore the first BBakehouse directory, it's empty and I can't delete it).

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Hi Gary.

Hi Gary.

Thank you so much for all that testing. I do still get it in FF2 /Win2K but it might have something to do with caching. I've found if I force clear the cache it doesn't flash when moving between menu items. If I don't clear, it will eventually flash.

I thought I'd tracked it down earlier to this...
<link rel="stylesheet" href="css/lightbox.css" type="text/css" media="screen">
Which originally had media="screen" /> at the end and didn't validate for 4.0. It doesn't flash with the slash in, but then neither does it validate. :?

It only does it from the menu, not the bottom arrows - but if you don't see it :shrug: Thank you again for looking.

Re the gallery - I did look at how I would change it to a ul after your comment Smile I'm struggling a bit because I'm going to have to create a new ul class or make the first (home page) list a class. However , point taken and I will do it, just as I changed to font-size on body after Hugo's comment above Smile Oeeerk! There's so much of it!

ETA: Does it look alright on all those other browsers? I still haven't seen the colours on a flat screen so don't know if they match as well as they do on my old monitor (not worth getting a new one till I can afford a new computer!).

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The ul should be a direct

The ul should be a direct drop-in for the existing div, with a few list specific rules added.

<ul class="gallery">
  <li><a href="images/lb_bread.JPG" 
         rel="lightbox[bb_home]" 
         title="Bread can now be made in the comfortable country kitchen">
         <img src="images/tn_bread.JPG" 
              width="125" 
              height="120" 
              alt="Bread can now be made in the comfortable country kitchen"></a>
  </li>
 
  ...
</ul>
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ul.gallery {
  margin: 0;
  padding: 0;
  list-style: none;
  text-align: center;
  }
 
.gallery li {
  display: inline;
  }
I'd make that an id rather than a class, unless it would require non-trivial modification of the script.

Color matching is a user configuration issue. If his flat screen or crt monitor is well adjusted, the colors will be ok. If not, :shrug:. My own new Dell flat screen came out of the box with poor adjustment. It's no longer on life support, but I still haven't tightly adjusted color balance and the various gamma values.

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Gary wrote:

I'd make that an id rather than a class, unless it would require non-trivial modification of the script.

Thanks Gary! I will tackle this then... I'd hate to let the side down Smile

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Color matching is a user configuration issue.

Ah well...I had the opportunity to check it today (at my new work assignment) and it may well have been the screen there - it was definitely greenish rather than golden. However some colours are just plainly the wrong hue or saturation and render very differently for me at home, an example is the original colours on the other site I did which really did need calming down.

Hugo...on the other note - at work I was getting the "secure" error too! It isn't just your browser, but it is a local government organisation and they tend to be locked down pretty tightly. Is it a setting somewhere? Considering I don't get it at home and Gary didn't mention it :? I appreciate the frustration and I will check Freehostia (but I know setting SSL was an option I did not invoke in case that has anything to do with it).

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Okay...I opened a ticket

Okay...I opened a ticket with Free Hostia re the "secure connection" and this is their reply -

Freehostia wrote:

Thank you for contacting our Technical Support Department.

I have tested your site and it seems to be fully operational on our end. Also as far as I can see there is nothing wrong in the settings of the subdomain name. I would advise you to check your personal firewalls or Widows firewall and try to lower the level of security.
Also please note that there is no server side problem that could cause the problem that you experience.

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What was odd about the alert

What was odd about the alert was that it popped up not on activation of a control as might be expected but when simply hovering over a main link which is not something I can recall happening before, I have tried to replicate the issue on my copy of IE7 here at work but no joy, I'll fire up my VM to see if happens in IE6 here.

Even with all prompts set on in IE6 I cannot replicate the behaviour, freehostia are running something though as I get script alerts on all links and I see mention of what look like tracking gifs at work. I wouldn't worry too much though I'm probably being my usual alarmist self Smile

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Hugo wrote:What was odd

Hugo wrote:

What was odd about the alert was that it popped up not on activation of a control as might be expected but when simply hovering over a main link which is not something I can recall happening before,

I got the same thing. It was persistent and took several goes just to close the window.

So if you can't replicate it in IE6 or 7 at work, where does that leave us? Firewall issue? That would make sense for the Council site.

No, you're not alarmist, just thorough Smile

However - for purely selfish reasons of course Smile - I'd like you to be able to see it at home too without you feeling that you have to compromise security to do so.

Well, you get a little breather - I'm out tomorrow night and converting the galleries after that! Laughing out loud

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Hi Hugo - A quick update. I have had several emails to/from Freehostia support the essence of which goes something like this -

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FHS - I can assure you that there is no such scripts running on our servers. I would advise your friend to check his computer for some add ware viruses. Also Please check this issue with an another browser.

Me - I sincerely doubt this is adware since he works in the industry and has tested the site on 3 browsers and 2 systems.

Which apparently galvanized him into escalating the problem instead of wiping it off. So conversation continued with person 2 (P2)-

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P2 - From all the correspondence I got that you are not able to access your site via secure connection HTTPS. Is that correct?

Me - It would appear to be the case.

P2 - Hm, it seems that the problem is not a server side one. I will advice you to contact your friend and to ask him/her to contact their network administrator for assistance.

Me - Thanks P2 but as stated - he can't access it and he IS the administrator,

I can't access it from the system at work either. This is not specific to one system, or indeed country!

P2 - Could you please provide us with a copy of a tracert to your site from a PC that is not able to access our servers. We will need the IP of this PC, too.

Soooo...my question to you is - are you able/willing to do this in an attempt to get to the bottom of this please? I've told him it's unlikely I'll be back to him for a day or two.

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I think that they may have

I think that they may have got the wrong end of the stick, were not trying to access the site via https or at least I don't think so , the issue is one browser where the links prompt a dialog box simply by hovering the links, it clearly is a browser setting issue yet I was unable to adjust settings on a version running at work to replicate the issue, I also suspect that something maybe going on server side, but can't be sure; it is almost definitely not an adware problem, but investigating why it's happening might be a slow task and I'm up to my eyes at the moment and the machine this occurs on I seldom boot up during the week, but I will see if I can work out why this is happening, don't hold breath though Smile

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Just had a quick check and

Just had a quick check and it's now cleared itself up, at least I haven't changed any settings, wonder if your work machine still shows the issue?

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...but investigating why it's happening might be a slow task and I'm up to my eyes at the moment and the machine this occurs on I seldom boot up during the week, but I will see if I can work out why this is happening, don't hold breath though Smile

Thanks Hugo - I appreciate any and all help you can give when you have the time, it will wait. However if, it's okay with you, I will pass your comments along to Freehostia tonight when I've checked IE at work again today. It will give FH something to chew on in the meantime Smile

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Shock Oeeerk!!

Where does that leave us? Laughing out loud

ETA: I'll check lunchtime and let you know Smile

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Don't worry too much about getting back to them in a hurry, it's not at all proven that it's anything to do with their end.

Okay I'll hold off for a little. However I can confirm it is still giving the error message on IE6 at work - it seems confined to hovering over the menu. It didn't happen over the inline links for Clare Valley and Holidaying with Dogs - forgot to check the bottom Sad

I could also click on the photos and get into LB without triggering the message.

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I did go back and check the bottom "previous" and "next" links and they do not trigger the message.

I also was able to view the site on the graphic designer's new sooper-dooper Mac - the one without a box, just a huge, bayoodiful, glassy screen *sigh* I think I'm in love. No error messages!

I think I'll close the ticket on FH suport. Until I've replaced the gallery code and got a new set of pics resized it's hard to know what's going on.

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It's difficult to help now

It's difficult to help now that the problem has cleared from my IE6, will probably just have to let it go.

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Yes I surmised that, but

Yes I surmised that, but thank you for looking and checking Hugo - I do appreciate it. We'll see if the error message continues for me when I've completed the changes.

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