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Hi, I'm looking for a safari emulator or some other strategy of seeing how my page looks on safari. (I'm using FF w/ XP.)

I've seen lots of possibilities (via Google search), but I'm hoping that someone out there has already found a favorite. Thanks.

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how about Safari?

how about Safari?

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Nah, that could never

Nah, that could never work!

Joking aside, Safari 3 does render differently from Safari 2. If you're running OSX pre Tiger (10.4) you don't have Safari 3 or if you haven't taken the 10.4.10 (??) update you will still be running Safari 2.

For me the best way is to pick up a cheap second hand Mac. You don't need a second screen and keyboard, access it remotely using VNC.

Another alternative is browsercam, browsershots or similar services.

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Does Safari

Does safari render on xp the same way it does on mac os?

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Not exactly the same no.

Not exactly the same no.

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are the mac safari emulators similar...

Is the difference significant? Does it affect float behavior?

Do the mac safari emulators render exactly the same as the real macs?

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rbfree wrote:Is the

rbfree wrote:
Is the difference significant?

I'm not a Mac user so couldn't say how significant it is but of the sites I have tested in both the only differences appear to be related to the handling of fonts, which is an OS issue, so:

rbfree wrote:
Does it affect float behavior?

I highly doubt it.

rbfree wrote:
Do the mac safari emulators render exactly the same as the real macs?

Well as most of them actually use real macs to deliver their screenshots, I'd say yes.

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Try browsershots.org

Try browsershots.org
Safari usually renders the page just as well as firefox IMO, so one screenshot should be enough since it will usually work fine.

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Download Safari for windows

Download Safari for windows here.

http://www.apple.com/safari/download/

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d41 wrote:Safari usually

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Safari usually renders the page just as well as firefox IMO, so one screenshot should be enough since it will usually work fine.

You'll want to check out your forms as Macs display form elements differently from Windows.

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hmmm

Thanks for the tips. The forms render differently on mac. Lovely. I certainly wouldn't want to see these browsers act consistently with each other.

In all seriousness, however, I appreciate the knowledge. Thanks again.

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It's worse than that!See

It's worse than that!

See Meyer and Johansson.

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formal pandemonium

Well, from looking at those articles, I don't see that standards are moving forward much at all, at least with forms. It seems to me a variation of the prisoner's dilemma. Every browser is in it for himself (or herself). What is the logic behind these variations (for example, the new variations that Safari will be offering)?

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Form elements are drawn by

Form elements are drawn by the OS, not the browser, so I hardly think differences between platforms is an indication that web standards aren't 'moving forward'.

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yes, overstated

Yes, I overstated, but certainly "compatibility" is elusive. As yet, it seems, there is no standard approach (in the general sense of standard) to styling form controls.

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Take comfort from the fact

Take comfort from the fact that your visitors are unlikely to use more than one browser on one operating system. That has the advantage that they know what their form controls look like. The less you mess with the users' expectations of how things work or how things look, the better. They may be ugly, but the fixed appearance improves usability. Anything that improves usability is a Good Thing®—even if it breaks the little pea-pickin' artistic heart of your graphic designer. Wink

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nicely stated

Yes, I agree with your sense of priority. Particularly interesting is this point:

"That has the advantage that they know what their form controls look like. The less you mess with the users' expectations of how things work or how things look, the better. They may be ugly, but the fixed appearance improves usability."

Generally a "successful" document is reader-based. I hope the sites I'm developing come off that way. That is, I hope the readers find what they're looking for well within their comfort zone (which includes time economy, familiarity, etc. etc.).

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