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I'm supervising an intern who has apparently done extensive web design in the past, back when tables were a necessity. He is much faster and enjoys coding more when I let him do it "his way" (aka, tables).

I would rather not strong-arm him into using modern design techniques, but I've hit a brick wall in that he sees me as stubborn and is afraid to approach me with questions about his design, because when I see tables, I tend to offer an alternative. This frustrates him, and he doesn't ask many questions anymore.

Has anyone else run into a talented, but behind-the-times designer who has heard all the arguments why tableless design is better, but refuses to learn new skills? What did you do?

Again, I would consider it an unnecessary "casualty" if I had to fire him or force him to work *my way*. I would much rather convince him peacefully.

Thanks for your advice.

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How about gradual change? Get him to clear up him table-based design first with just CSS.

Once this is cleared up, start introducing him to newer CSS concepts, nice and easy like.

Also, show some great examples of CSS-based web design.

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Or you could repeatedly club him over the head with a two by four until he gives into your demands . . .

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thepineapplehead wrote:
Or you could repeatedly club him over the head with a two by four until he gives into your demands . . .

I was nodding my head... But then I remembered... He said 'peacefully'...

I could pose as a 'Fantastic new designer/coder' who's about to fill in his position: He'll soon buck up his ideas Laughing out loud

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Buy him a copy of Zeldman's book, and tell him he can have a pay rise when he learns to code properly, *beep*.

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Yeh, Zeldman's book... a good converter! Forgot about that. Tongue

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As it is really an outmoded way of working he ultimately has no choice but to start to keep abreast of standards developement, whether he is working for yourself or a new employer it really is his choice the industry he has chosen to work in is an evolving one and he needs to understand that fact. I would start out explaining this to him in an informal manner at the same time pointing out that the company is persuing this direction then I would explain that he will get all the help he requires in making the transition to standards based coding ( the 'book' is a good idea) after this I would set a timescale for the general change over to take effect ,from then on sadly you will probably have to go down a formal warning procedure route at least in the UK it would be the course of action as having done ones utmost to provide the help and retraining needed if no change is forthcomming then it's crucial that the member of staff doesn't undermine things further. There are plenty of people just as qualified waiting to take his place after all, who will be more than happy to comply!

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Hmm i noticed the word 'book'. What's the book like anyhow and how much usually?

The book idea sounds good but you'd have to live up to your promise of a raise Wink

You could also try to get him interested in CSS design such that he will go home and study up on it in his spare time. It would be good to boosthim up to the ever-changing web standards.

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Thanks!

Well, I took some of your advice, skipping the bits about the 2x4 (because I like my criminal history the way it is), and the raise (because I haven't the authority).

I do have the O'Reilly-Meyers CSS book, which I found to be a good read, and I've been giving him time at work to make a CSSZenGarden page and read sites like alistapart.

He seems more enthusiastic now. He was especially impressed with the CSSZenGarden, I think.

Thanks for all your ideas, keep 'em coming.

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well by the sounds of things your on the path to converting him, often all it takes is a bit of psychology, patience and gentle but firm insistance; also there is the fear factor involved in learning something new when you feel safe with what you already know. You have made the most important first step in providing the information required and the time to absorb it; with luck you will have a happy member of staff soon who will work with renewed vigour and enthusiasm, on the other hand with his newly aquired skills set he may just p*ss off and get a better paid job.

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