16 replies [Last post]
smirkingdude
Offline
Enthusiast
Last seen: 12 years 16 weeks ago
Timezone: GMT-4
Joined: 2007-04-07
Posts: 61
Points: 0

Any criticism would be greatly appreciated!

click here Smile

"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
Albert Einstein

thepineapplehead
thepineapplehead's picture
Offline
Guru
Last seen: 1 year 16 weeks ago
Timezone: GMT+1
Joined: 2004-06-30
Posts: 9668
Points: 801

Lose the default W3C

Lose the default W3C buttons, either make your own or use a text link instead.

The colour seems a little low-contrast, especially the left nav items, they may be hard to read for some people.

You also have a bit of divitis and classitis going on there Wink

Verschwindende wrote:
  • CSS doesn't make pies

smirkingdude
Offline
Enthusiast
Last seen: 12 years 16 weeks ago
Timezone: GMT-4
Joined: 2007-04-07
Posts: 61
Points: 0

Pineapplehead, Thanks for

Pineapplehead,

Thanks for your quick response. The color schemes have been chosen by a client.
As for navigational menu, I use matching purple shade as rest of the webpage instead of the matching yellow shade ...this to help make words being more readable.

As for W3C buttons, those shown on index page are *NOT* default W3C default buttons. The default W3C buttons are huge and ugly (from W3C validator website). The ones on index page are discreetly designed being small by others (I dont know who made them).

hmm divitis and classitis.... I'll figure how to make the code more leaner & more effective.

Thanks again for your 2 cents Cool

"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
Albert Einstein

thepineapplehead
thepineapplehead's picture
Offline
Guru
Last seen: 1 year 16 weeks ago
Timezone: GMT+1
Joined: 2004-06-30
Posts: 9668
Points: 801

My mistake, I should have

My mistake, I should have said "default-looking" - they don't match your site.

Irrespective of the fact that the client chose the colours, the text is still hard to read - if I squint my eyes a bit, I can barely even see there's text on the left.

I'm also not a big fan of two-colour gradients, but that's just personal preference Wink

Verschwindende wrote:
  • CSS doesn't make pies

fatfreddy
fatfreddy's picture
Offline
Enthusiast
Deep down under
Last seen: 12 years 20 weeks ago
Deep down under
Timezone: GMT+8
Joined: 2005-03-25
Posts: 390
Points: 0

It's definitely a little

It's definitely a little difficult to read.
Maybe the menu background could start off yellow then go all funky when it's hovered over. At least that way you have been able to clearly read what's there initially and it matters less if you can't read it when hovering - chances are you're pointers in the way anyway.

It's worth explaining to the client that while he/she may think it looks great, it could cause visitors problems and they may end up leaving.

Also, remove

They dont seem to be doing anything - any CSS that applies to those div's can be moved up top the parent - content-wrapper. Or netter still, remove content-wrapper and inner2 use content to style the ...um ...errrr ...content.

I'd agree with P. about the validation buttons - style some text to do the same thing. Most people will have no idea what they are, they'll just think they look out of place. Those who care will find them, even if nicely styled and not doing impressions of sore thumbs.

Generally the layout is good, I would definitely explain the colour and contrast issue to your client - it is to their benefit in the long run.

HTH

Fat Freddy

The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once
--Albert Einstein

Accessible webdesign Australia - webechodesigns

asimpleart
asimpleart's picture
Offline
Enthusiast
Last seen: 8 years 41 weeks ago
Timezone: GMT-5
Joined: 2007-01-31
Posts: 94
Points: 4

Analyzation under a microscope

The good ! Always fun to start off with that, right?

- The logo is kicking! I am really into it.
- The message is good, and seems purpose driven Smile
- It is organized, well coded.

And here are some pointers...

- The top image is stretched, originaly the width is 720px , but stretched to 740, def. can notice and takes quality away from that cool logo!
- Overuse of the gradient. Loses effect after doing so much.
- Background is interesting, but the birds maybe shouldn't be getting as much attention, my eyes want to go everywhere!!! I would make them more transparent.
- Menu Contrast, the text is somewhat difficult to read.

This is nice a clean, but it would really set it over the top if a few modifications where made Smile

smirkingdude
Offline
Enthusiast
Last seen: 12 years 16 weeks ago
Timezone: GMT-4
Joined: 2007-04-07
Posts: 61
Points: 0

adjustments made

  • header image being sized at 740px instead of 720px
  • redesigned the validation buttons and linked them to appropriate validation page(Drunk
  • changed the images for navigation menu and made text being colored purple instead of black
  • any critisms for the rest of the website?

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge"
    Albert Einstein

    thepineapplehead
    thepineapplehead's picture
    Offline
    Guru
    Last seen: 1 year 16 weeks ago
    Timezone: GMT+1
    Joined: 2004-06-30
    Posts: 9668
    Points: 801

    Yes http://www.wordandworshi

    Yes

    http://www.wordandworshipchurch.org/images/logo.jpg

    Why isn't that actual text?

    Verschwindende wrote:
    • CSS doesn't make pies

    Phreestyle
    Phreestyle's picture
    Offline
    Enthusiast
    Australia
    Last seen: 3 years 47 weeks ago
    Australia
    Timezone: GMT+8
    Joined: 2007-05-12
    Posts: 235
    Points: 6

    Wrong section. Mods, can you

    Wrong section. Mods, can you please remove.
    Ta

    Life's a journey. Enjoy the trip.

    Phreestyle
    Phreestyle's picture
    Offline
    Enthusiast
    Australia
    Last seen: 3 years 47 weeks ago
    Australia
    Timezone: GMT+8
    Joined: 2007-05-12
    Posts: 235
    Points: 6

    Whoops. Sorry about that

    Whoops. Sorry about that

    Life's a journey. Enjoy the trip.

    smirkingdude
    Offline
    Enthusiast
    Last seen: 12 years 16 weeks ago
    Timezone: GMT-4
    Joined: 2007-04-07
    Posts: 61
    Points: 0

    spambots

    could spambots harvest info from an image?

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge"
    Albert Einstein

    thepineapplehead
    thepineapplehead's picture
    Offline
    Guru
    Last seen: 1 year 16 weeks ago
    Timezone: GMT+1
    Joined: 2004-06-30
    Posts: 9668
    Points: 801

    No, but that's not the

    No, but that's not the point. What if images are disabled? What if the link to the image is wrong?

    It shoudl be actual HTML text Wink

    Verschwindende wrote:
    • CSS doesn't make pies

    Zenith1
    Offline
    newbie
    Last seen: 12 years 29 weeks ago
    Joined: 2005-02-01
    Posts: 6
    Points: 0

    I agree for image instead of

    I agree for image instead of text. Bots can't extract info from image (ok, they can from alt tag) but this is not standard procedure in getting good page rank. Getting proper and correct information is something you must crave for in internet.

    Regards.

    smirkingdude
    Offline
    Enthusiast
    Last seen: 12 years 16 weeks ago
    Timezone: GMT-4
    Joined: 2007-04-07
    Posts: 61
    Points: 0

    actual texts are here

    thepineapplehead wrote:
    No, but that's not the point. What if images are disabled? What if the link to the image is wrong?

    It should be actual HTML text Wink

    Took care of it...the actual texts are in the homepage. Smile

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge"
    Albert Einstein

    smirkingdude
    Offline
    Enthusiast
    Last seen: 12 years 16 weeks ago
    Timezone: GMT-4
    Joined: 2007-04-07
    Posts: 61
    Points: 0

    uh oh....

    thepineapplehead wrote:
    Yes

    http://www.wordandworshipchurch.org/images/logo.jpg

    Why isn't that actual text?

    Now...this gets you to the hotlink page. Good to know that this site has hotlink protection working well. Smile

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge"
    Albert Einstein

    smirkingdude
    Offline
    Enthusiast
    Last seen: 12 years 16 weeks ago
    Timezone: GMT-4
    Joined: 2007-04-07
    Posts: 61
    Points: 0

    any more criticisms?

    I noticed that the criticisms tend to be for the main page. I wondered if there's any criticisms for the rest of the website? :?

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge"
    Albert Einstein

    fatfreddy
    fatfreddy's picture
    Offline
    Enthusiast
    Deep down under
    Last seen: 12 years 20 weeks ago
    Deep down under
    Timezone: GMT+8
    Joined: 2005-03-25
    Posts: 390
    Points: 0

    smirkingdude wrote:I noticed

    smirkingdude wrote:
    I noticed that the criticisms tend to be for the main page. I wondered if there's any criticisms for the rest of the website? :?

    Personally I would add a touch more padding to the text on the welcome page - as it's a pretty 'wordy' page, the extra whitespace would make it easier to read. (like you have on the mission page)

    Also think about putting in some headings throughout the text - just to break it up a little and allow people to scan it for 'sections' of info.

    I would suggest something like:

    Word and worship members
    before "The body of believers here at Word and Worship..."

    and

    How we will help you
    before "If you truly want to grow..."

    and

    Come and join us
    before "Find one of our small groups..."

    Not the catchiest of titles (I'm sure with more than three seconds thought you can improve them dramatically) but there definitely seems to be four sections to the text on the page, why not introduce each one with a heading? With a bit of thought, they could also boost your profile with the search engines by including keywords.

    As someone suggested - maybe fade the background image of the birds a little, it does tend to make your eyes jump around a bit and distracts from the parts you really want people to focus on.

    HTH

    Fat Freddy

    The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once
    --Albert Einstein

    Accessible webdesign Australia - webechodesigns