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I'd like to know what you think about having a standard browser that supports all elements of CSS, Java, JavaScript, PHP, CGI, XML, HTML etc. Is it possible? Do you think it could be done?

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Standard Browser?

It's only a pipe dream.
The standards keep changing and improving with technology so browser developers can only aim to meet the standards at a particular point in time by freezing or capturing that point.

Then while working towards that frozen point, the standards change new innovations are dreamt up etc.
So by the time the browsers is released even if it met the standards from the frozen point it wont meet all the standards in the real world.

Sorry that's a pretty negative response, but that's how I see it.

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Standard Browser?

it's ok if not ALL tech is supported. But having IE being ridiculously ahead and supporting unorthodox code while Netscape just plain ***? That makes it very hard for everyone, I think.

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Ooooooooh I dont think your comments are going to go down to well moooocow Tongue

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Hi Moooocow,
Firstly I can understand you being upset knowing that microsoft wont be brining out a new version of ie for at least 2 years.

Personally I prefer Netscape, I really like the features such as tabs and find it much easier to develop webpages for as it is much closer to the standards then ie.
Maybe you should start looking for a browser that will attempt to keep up with technology and the standards not just go it's own way.

Give Mozilla Firebird a try, you might find you like it.

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Standard Browser?

Even if there was such a magical browser that rendered everything perfectly, we'd still be in the same situation as we are now unless absolutely everybody switched over to it.

As long as our visitors continue to use Netscape 4, IE5, and all the other platforms we know and love, we're still going to have to develop in a manner that keeps us all compatible with one another...

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Standard Browser?

The closest browser/HTML rendering engine we have right now to "complete" standards-compliance (XHTML 1.0, CSS 2, ECMAScript & DOM, XML) seems to be a cross between Safari (using the KHTML rendering engine), and Mozilla 1.4+.

Interestingly enough, the HTML rendering components of both these browsers (Mozilla includes Camino, Phoenix...) is open source. That seems to be the way to go because nothing will bring your project closer to completion than 100,000 hardcore developers staring at the code for hours on end Wink

Mozilla seems to be the one that will support CSS 3 the fastest, with Safari catching up maybe(?) next year or so.

Web browsers fully supporting XML/XSLT and all other aspects of XML (MathXML, etc.) seems pretty far off. This includes support for strict XHTML 2.0 as well because of the major differences between XHTML 2.0 and regular 'ole HTML.

Its unfortunate that Microsoft will no longer be in the standalone browser business, because that means that until Longhorn comes out, the vast majority of web users will be using IE 5 or 6, which even in the strictest of compliance modes still has quirks.

I personally design all pages now in CSS and XHTML, no tables, no legacy JavaScript platform-sniffing. Designing with web standards is the way to go, and if your site degrades for NN4, who cares? If they're using NN4 and haven't upgraded (or their company hasn't upgraded), then obviously they're not all the interested in presentation (CSS) and the content should be enough for them.

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Its unfortunate that Microsoft will no longer be in the standalone browser business

Why is this?

Are they putting all their efforts in to producing Longhorn, which is going to be the new OS right?

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Oops, sorry lizo!

I forgot that some of the stuff I read isn't that widely read by everyone else lol... check this link out:

http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0603a.shtml#ju1303

Brief synopsis:
Zeldman talks about how Microsoft announced that it will no longer be updating any versions of Internet Explorer, nor produce any new ones that are not completely integrated into the OS.

Also, that Mac IE 5 for the Mac is dead and will never be updated again.

-Mike

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Shock Sad

Lazy buggers Tongue .

It was only yesterday that I was wondering when IE7 would be coming out.

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