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Hello all. I am new to the forum and would appreciate any insight that you can provide into the following issue.

After validating my code and addressing issues both in Firefox and IE (5 and 6) throughout the design process, I decided to test my site on the web server, as opposed to my local machine.

The Issue: My pages link to an external CSS style sheet. When viewed in IE6, everything works great. However, when I run the same page in Firefox 2, none of my CSS is being read. All that displays is my Flash header and obviously my HTML. When I embed the CSS code into the header of the page, Firefox 2 then reads it without any problems. It is only when I link to an external style sheet that Firefox 2 will NOT display ANY of my CSS code.

Has anyone experienced this or have any insight as to why this might be happening? I also apologize if I have posted too much code. I am still trying to figure out the etiquette of board as it relates to this.

My CSS:

/* CSS Document */

/*This is the updated version that fixes the email link*/

body {
margin:0;
padding:0;
text-align:center;
font-size:62.5%;
background: #ffffff url(images/dkgreenbg.gif) repeat left center;
}

h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, p, blockquote {
margin:0;
padding:0;
}

h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, p, blockquote, ul, li {
font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}

#wrapper {
width:760px;
margin:30px auto 0px auto;
text-align:left;
background: url(images/mainContentbg2.gif) repeat-y center top;
}

#header {
color:#CCCCCC;
height:150px;
}

#news {
margin-left:200px;
margin-right:200px;
background: #FFFFFF;
}

#news a{
color:#C05F1D;
text-decoration:none;
border-bottom:#999999 dashed 1px;
}

#news a:visited{
color:#C05F1D;
text-decoration:none;
}

#news a:hover{
color:#FFFFFF;
background-color:#C05F1D;
text-decoration:none;
}

#news h2{
font-size:1.8em;
color:#666666;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-left: 5px;
padding-bottom: 5px;
background: #C7DEA5 url(images/green_01.gif) repeat-x left top;
}

#news h3{
font-size:1.6em;
color:#89B05E;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-bottom: 5px;
padding-left:5px;

}

#news p{
font-size:1.1em;
padding-bottom: 10px;
padding-left:5px;
padding-right:5px;
}

#mainContent {
width:200px;
float:left;
background: #FFFFFF;
}

#mainContent h2{
font-size:1.8em;
color:#666666;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-left: 5px;
padding-bottom: 5px;
background: #C7DEA5 url(images/green_01.gif) repeat-x left top;
}

#mainContent h3{
font-size:1.6em;
color:#333333;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-bottom: 5px;
}

#mainContent ul {
margin:0;
padding:0;

}

#mainContent li {
list-style:none;
font-size:1.3em;
display:inline;

}

#mainContent a {
color:#C05F1D;
text-decoration:none;
display:block;
border-bottom: 1px dashed #666666;
padding: 5px 0 5px 5px;
border-right: 1px dashed #666666;
}

*html #mainContent a{
height:1px;
}

#mainContent a:hover {
color:#FFFFFF;
background-color:#C05F1D;
}

#mainNav {
width:200px;
float:right;
}

#mainNav p {
color:#000000;
padding-left:5px;
padding-right:5px;
padding-bottom: 5px;
}

#mainNav h2{
font-size:1.8em;
color:#666666;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-left: 5px;
padding-bottom: 5px;
background: url(images/tan2_01.gif) repeat-x left top;
}

#mainNav h3 {
color:#C05F1D;
padding:5px 5px;
font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size:1.4em;
}

#mainNav ul{
margin:0;
padding:0;
}

#mainNav li{
list-style:none;
background-color:#000000;
font-size:1.3em;
}

#mainNav li a {
color:#ffffff;
text-decoration:none;
display:block;
border-bottom: 1px dashed #CCCCCC;
padding: 5px 0 5px 5px;
border-right: 1px dashed #CCCCCC;

}

*html #mainNav li a{
height:1px;
}

#mainNav a {
color:#C05F1D;
text-decoration:none;
}

#mainNav a:hover {
color:#FFFFFF;
background-color:#C05F1D;
}

div.center {
text-align:center;
padding:10px 0;
}

#icon{
margin:0;
list-style:none;
}

#icon li a{
background:#000000 url(images/icon.gif) no-repeat 2px 2px;
padding-left: 40px;
padding-top: 11px;
padding-bottom: 11px;
margin-left: 0px;
}

mainNav a.email {
color:#C05F1D;
text-decoration:none;
border:none;
}

#footer {
text-align:center;
color:#666666;
background-image:url(images/tan2_01.gif);
background-repeat:repeat-x;
padding:7px 0;
margin-top:7px;
clear:both;
width:100%;
}

#footer p {
font-size:1.1em;
font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color:#333333;
text-transform:uppercase;
}

#footer h3 {
font-size:1.3em;
font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color:#C05F1D;
text-transform:uppercase;
}

/* Original footer code. Delete before publishing.
#footer {
clear:both;
color:#ffffff;
background: url(./images/tan_01.gif) repeat-x left bottom;
padding-top: 0px;
line-height: 50px;
margin-top: 40px;
position: relative;
width: 100%;
}

#footer h3{
font-size:1.2em;
font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color:#C05F1D;
padding-top: 0px;
padding-left: 10px;
text-transform:uppercase;
}

#footer img{
float: right;
}

*/

My HTML:

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Story 2


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Can we see a link to the

Can we see a link to the page?

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Link to the page

sorry. here is the link to the page.

http://governor.utah.gov/vistatest/index.html

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cardinal wrote:sorry. here

cardinal wrote:
sorry. here is the link to the page.
http://governor.utah.gov/vistatest/index.html

Actually Firefox is seeing your CSS but since it's not valid CSS it can't process it properly. Get your CSS rules valid by checking them against the W3C CSS validator.

You also have invalid html as well. CSS rules are defined assuming valid html, and if you don't feed that to a browser you have no cause to complain how it renders your invalid code.

If IE shows things one way, and Firefox another, you can be at least 90% sure that it is IE that is lying to you, not Firefox. Even if you think that IE looks "right". And I'd bet money that this is so here.

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I don't think it's anything

I don't think it's anything to do with validation problems. I think it might be something to do with the way the file's been saved because when I enter the path to the stylesheet in my browser, Firefox prompts me to download it rather than just displaying it. Also, when I use the WebDev extension in Firefox to view the CSS, your page suddenly gains its styling which often indicates a problem with the path to the stylesheet.

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Well, if I diagnose it one way, and Tyssen another way, I'd bet on Tyssen first.

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actually...

I validated my code with the validator found on this site and the only errors that i encountered were with my flash. I thought that I might have encountered more due to the html hacks that I had to put in to correct problems with IE 5 and 6, but didn't. Even if I hadn't validated, I don't know why this would prevent the page from showing in some way, shape or form. Still, I appreciate the perspective. Thank you.

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I experienced the same thing...

when trying to access the css file in IE. When you are referring to the path to the style sheet, I believe that you might be onto to something. As mentioned earlier, when I embedded the css into the tages and viewed it in Firefox, it worked. My CSS file and pages are in the same folder as well.

Still...I thought that there were only a couple of ways to connect to your external style sheet.

1. using the link tag (html) or /> for (xhtml)
2. or using the @import url(vtknew.css) method

in your opinion, does my link structure/formatting appear to be correct to you? Any other linking methods that I might be missing?

I'm just blown away that IE can pick up the path and Firefox cannot. It seems backwards. Thank you for your insight and time.

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Whether you use link or

Whether you use link or @import shouldn't matter as long as the path is correct. I'd try resaving your CSS file first because Firefox shouldn't prompt to download proper CSS files.

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Embedding the rules would be

Embedding the rules would be likely to work as the nature of things changes completely, as they are no longer a file.

What mime type are files with the extension .css being delivered as? I suspect that your server is not set up correctly in this respect hence firefox not knowing what to do with the file when directly accessed, I also notice that you have directory listing on (ought to be turned off) aceessing the directory shows a file listing and against the stylesheet file there is an icon intended to denote Binary files, if that is actually how .css files are being identified then it may be confusing Firefox? IE and Opera are probably ignoring the mime type and sniffing the file to establish what it is for themselves (iirc IE does this)

I dont know this server to help further, but if possible have a look at your settings/congig for mime type settings and see how things are set.

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I'm going to take a SWAG

I'm going to take a SWAG at this, and suggest the server is misconfigured. Else, Firefox would know it was a stylesheet. (IE and Opera often ignore, or second guess the response headers) Whoa, Nelly! New test proves it

C:\home>wget -S http://governor.utah.gov/vistatest/vtknew.css
--00:26:22--  http://governor.utah.gov/vistatest/vtknew.css
           => `vtknew.css'
Resolving governor.utah.gov... 168.177.236.15
Connecting to governor.utah.gov|168.177.236.15|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
  HTTP/1.0 200 OK
  Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:24:39 GMT
  Content-type: application/octet-stream
  Content-length: 424411 Apr 2007 22:33:30 GMT
Length: 4,244 (4.1K) [application/octet-stream]
00:26:25 (1.79 MB/s) - `vtknew.css' saved [4244/4244]     --.--K/s

Compare to the response header from CSSCreator;

Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:24:00 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.37 (Unix) PHP/5.1.6 mod_gzip/1.3.26.1a mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4 mod_ssl/2.8.28 OpenSSL/0.9.7a
Last-Modified: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 02:10:19 GMT
Etag: "c6c063-2e24-45a1a80b"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 11812
Content-Type: text/css

200 OK

You need to get with your Server Admin, and get the configuration straightened out.

//edit: Harrumph. You Brits take too much advantage of your six hour head start.

//edit #2: It is possible you triggered the application/octet-stream MIME-type by uploading as a binary file rather than ASCII or text. Check your ftp client settings and try another upload. If your server is running on a Windows platform, binary vs text is more an issue than on *nix machines (not overly confident in that statement Wink).

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I need a head start!

I need a head start!

that's good as you confirm my supposition, case solved.

Interesting that Opeara seems to sniff the file, can't remember the protocol on this matter other than recolections of MS IE bad behavior in dealing with mime types, there was a interesting little thread on the subject a while back started iirc by Chris, which I'll try and find for interests sake, but I'll probably fail.

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Re head start: I would

Re head start: I would still have beat you if I hadn't been in Windows Smile. 1) In Linux, I drag to copy and middle click to paste. MSDOS has way too convoluted a process. 2) The command line in a Linux shell can be edited. MSDOS is a PoS. I make too many typos to put up with MSDOS. Sad

Re response headers: This article addresses one part of the issue.

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You're using Windows! that

You're using Windows! that must be a pain, I've just switched to me little iBook so much nicer Smile

yeah we know the command line in Windows leaves ever so much to be desired I can never remember how to instigate the edit features and get very bored re-typing my typos, however here I've got Bash, so much nicer.

Uploading as Binary; would that not just scramble the file in all browsers? not sure as I never make those sorts of errors....

The link is what was being discussed in the thread I refered to earlier which I did find but is very convoluted.

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Thank you...

I am having our server administrator look at right now. I also tried saving the css file again.

One more question, where/how did you go to generate the error code that you included in your post? I didn't see anything like that when I validated my code.

Any suggestions as to tools/resources that you use or would recommend to help identify errors would be appreciated. I have been spending every spare moment for the last few months trying to become as well-versed and proficient in CSS design as I can. I just want to make sure that I am doing it right and I have the resources to assist me with this.

I am also unsure as to the difference between a binary and ascii file. Aren't .css files similar to .txt files?

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It wasn't an error code,

It wasn't an error code, those are response headers, everytime you communicate with a remote machine/server via http you send a get request for the resource you want to access, the server responds to this by sending in advance of the resource a response header which is a collection of information as to what is being sent, one of these bits of info is the type of file that is being sent(mime type).

Gary ran a check via the command line to see what the server returned by way of header info, you could also use tools such as Telnet or putty, or get the information through browsers such as Firefox which have the Web Dev toolbar installed.

These are not matters relating to CSS as such but more to server/http protocols.

CSS files are text files and should be formatted as ansi plain text. binary files are files such as images, FTP clients generally have a auto setting which determines what type of file is being uploaded and transmits it in the right format, you also generally can tell it that certain file extensions must always be ansii when you use auto mode. I tend to always work in ansii this way I can always manage to scramble any image files and have the pleasure of uploading them twice.

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Possible solution

Hey i just ran into your post trying to resolve this same issue. Mine got fixed as soon as i got rid of the doctype at the beginning of the html document. It seems that mozilla gets screwed up somehow by text preceeding when it comes to external style sheets....

Given that the weblink you left does indeed have:

DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"

This might be something worth trying out. Btw if it does work post back so other people trying to comply with standards don't waste as much time as we already have.

Hope this helps

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PureShadow wrote:This might

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This might be something worth trying out.

No, this is something definitely not worth trying out, especially if you're trying to comply with standards.

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PureShadow wrote:Hey i just

PureShadow wrote:
Hey i just ran into your post trying to resolve this same issue. Mine got fixed as soon as i got rid of the doctype at the beginning of the html document. It seems that mozilla gets screwed up somehow by text preceeding <html> [escape added] when it comes to external style sheets....

First, welcome to CSSCreator. This forum accepts, and parses more html markup than most. Take care to escape the < if you want the tag to render, i.e., &lt;

Now, as to the DTD: The DTD should not have any bearing on whether a stylesheet link is loaded correctly. I suspect you had another issue that was serendipitously fixed. The complete DTD is required, to force browsers into standards mode. Else, they (especially IE) do not follow the same rules.

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<snip> Btw if it does work post back so other people trying to comply with standards don't waste as much time <snip>

I believe he did respond that he was taking this up with his sysad. Since the server response header is the cause, little further would matter.

Your advice is appropriate to good forum practice. It is frustrating not to hear back regarding a proposed solution.

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Very frustrating and

Very frustrating and somewhat dispiriting :shrug: (and the point being made in the site discussion thread)

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Thanks again...problem solved

I apologize for not providing a final notice. In addition, I don't see an option that would allow me to mark my post as solved. As a result, I am assuming that a moderator will now list this as solved in the main page.

In short, having our system administrator change the mime type on the web server solved the problem. However, I did experience some other quirky behavior that also resulted in my page working properly. Whenever I copied my css file and renamed it, it worked. For whatever reason the original file name (i.e. vtknew.css) wouldn't work, but as soon as i copied it and renamed it (i.e. vtkcopy.css) it would work.

Due to the fact that I left the original file name as it was (i.e. vtknew.css) when uploading it the the web server after its mime type had been changed to text/css, I am attributing the fix to the mime type change. Still, other potential fixes that were discussed like renaming and resaving the file name work as well. Again, if you change the mime type on the server first, you won't need to rename or resave the file. That was my experience anyway.

Thank you for all of your help! I greatly appreciate it.

Cardinal

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Thanks for signing the

Thanks for signing the thread off; I'll mark it as resolved.

If the mime type wasn't set I would have thought that trying to access the file would have prompted a download dialogue.

Sounds as though possibly there was some file caching going on somewhere along with possibly other problems with that original file, hard to tell though.

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Hugo, trying to GET the file

Hugo, trying to GET the file with the browser did result in a download dialogue. That's why I used wget to see the header instead of Firefox.

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everyone wrote:stuff tl;dr

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Hugo, trying to GET the file with the browser did result in a download dialogue. That's why I used wget to see the header instead of Firefox.

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