Need inspiration (no pun intended!)

Fireplaces are warm and cozy. If someone is hunting the web for fireplaces, I'd think your site should convey that, which argues for rich warm colours, golds, browns, reds (and blacks for contrast rather than whites).

If you aren't using rollovers on image links, try varying the image opacity (alpha filter for IE) on hover. It doesn't work on all browsers, but it does work on many - IE, FF, Safari.

It can !

Tell me you haven't tried to render a double border with 1 pixel or even for that matter with two pixels. rofl.

rofl even more, days turning out better

Perhaps if the border and the html background weren't the same colour you'd see it.

In fairness there is a seeming discrepancy between FF border placement and IE, or rather background, which in IE covers only the width or content area less the padding/borders and in FF which covers correctly. The outer border width is lost against the same colour background of html though in FF. Background should refer to content, padding and borders.

Edit/ that's cool IE7 gets it wrong as well, so so far that's inability to shrinkwrap widthless floats, unable to do full region hover with display:block and parent with only min-width stated despite FF happy and IE supposedly now supporting min/max.

It can !

Tell me you haven't tried to render a double border with 1 pixel or even for that matter with two pixels. rofl.

border: 4px double #e9e4db;

I would expect it to work like it does on the page title - that also has a 4px double border.

Out of interest, why does Firefox fill the gap between the double border with the background color of body (the element the border is on) and IE doesn't?

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#q2 ... para #1

Chris I know the reference, is there something I have overlooked; in using 'should' I meant according to specs.

TPH I think that it's just an illusion that the background fills the space between border lines (it does but that gap is transparent) in actual fact the background should be running to the extreme edge but that is behind the outer border line so not seen. IE appears to be stopping the backgound at the padding edge leaving the border to render over the top of the parent, or am I going mad?.

As for IE behaviour I've no answer, but Chris will have

Since you were probably still rolling around on the floor with evil laughter at TPH's predicament, I thought I'd put him out of his misery and answer the last question in his post - confirming your diagnosis by pointing him at the appropriate part of the spec, since by asking the question he didn't appear to take you at your word - or maybe like me, he only reads the first few lines in a post ... )

I doubt even omniscient beings have that answer.

I managed to pick myself up of the floor but just couldn't wipe that evil grin off my face.

Dam I was counting on your omnipotence for an answer to IE further silliness.

Er actually I'm pulling you up here TPH. Do you read further than the first couple of lines of a post? do you, do you.

Well Gary hasn't showed, so I guess I was right

Huh?

The omnipotently omniscient one duly arrived as summoned, we awaited with anticipation of his words of wisdom born of a supreme being and after deep contemplation he did pronounce;

"Huh!"

I'll only read long posts if they're punctuated and split into paragraphs; numerous gaming forums I visit have noobs that have no regard for either and everythign is one long jumbled sentence.

I've changed the border color and it shows up in IE and Firefox, like you said it would and I tried to get my head around the W3C spec but they never make it easy to understand, do they?

I'm just interested at the rendering discrepancy between IE and FF, and which one is doing it right?

So content is irrelevant? even if you have to work at reading it? you will really struggle if you ever have to read through and understand a legal document.

I'm just interested at the rendering discrepancy between IE and FF, and which one is doing it right?

Well that is as I have said already but clearly my jumbled, unpunctuated, ungrammatical sentences were beneath your dignity to read, so you must remain in ignorance! Yuof, they all need a good slapping!

So you're saying IE is only filling the background colour to the edge inside the inside border, whereas FF renders the background right the way to the outside edge of the outside border?

I'm not saying nufink now, got the hump!

I thought Chris had already answered this. The background color should extend to the outer edge of the border, if any. Firefox does this. IE does not.

Consider:

body {
    background-color: white;
    }

#box {
    width: 200px;
    background-color: yellow;
    border: 10px dotted white; /*invisible against body bg,
but box bg should show between border dots*/
    }
    
* html #box {
    border-color: yellow;
    }
==========
<p id="box">blah, blah blah</p>

gary

No I answered it , good lord what do I have to do!, sorry this doesn't count as omniscience

:shrug:

Guess I didn't read past the first line.

cheers,

gary

TPH, have you had any inspiration?

If not, I think you better start a new thread

Ayr, you lot do seem to have hijacked my thread a bit

If the fourteenth post had referenced my fourth post and actually been along the lines of the sixteenth post then posts 6 through to 23 would probably have been unnecessary, although the sixteenth posts questions were already covered by the fourth post so to speak so probably we could have curtailed the tangent at the fifth post!