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http://wildthingsbonsai.com/index.php

This is the pre-pre-release of this site. Lots of content to add, particularly in the carving tools section, and descriptions in the gallery sections.

Best viewed in Opera, but should work in IE. Would love feedback on that.

Haven't checked in Firefox yet, anyone could?

Thanks

Nic
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Hi

In FF0.8 the menu breaks out fo the right of the two dividers by about 50 pixels

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Thanks for that. I'm not familliar at all with FF yet. Is there any usual suspect to make that kind of break happen?

(I really must download FF and install it on this machine :-0)

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I think the problem is this:

#meatmenus{
width:150px;
}

Does it work if you take that out?

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firstreflex wrote:
I think the problem is this:
#meatmenus{
width:150px;
}

Does it work if you take that out?

Hi

Yes it works OK with that out in ff0.8 and IE6, but Opera 7.23 looks a little weird, but the text is still inside the dividers, but maybe a bit to the left.

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Well, I just downloaded FF 0.8 and installed it.

I commented out the width of #meatmenus, and FF still looks broken.

In any case, for some reason I thought it was important to give an actual width for floated divs??

Other thoughts on how to fix this then?

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Your problem is this

#meatmenus table {
width:200px;
}

*html #meatmenus table{
width: 170px;
}

I am not sure why you have the table there at all, but you have given it a width of 200px for FF as FF can not read the IE only hack of * html with a width of 170px.

Normally the hack is used like this

#meatmenus table {
width:200px;
}

*html #meatmenus table{
width: 170px;
w/idth: 200px; 
}

When the Doctype is correct, so IE6 which interpretes the box model correctly will also use the 200px and IE5.n which can't read w/idth: will use 170px.

But in in this case I could not see any reason to use the hack at all for IE5.n

So

#meatmenus table {
width:170px;
}

will be enough.

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Daybreak_0 wrote:

I am not sure why you have the table there at all, but you have given it a width of 200px for FF as FF can not read the IE only hack of * html with a width of 170px.

I'm not using the table because I like it. Sadly, the CMS I'm using currently spits out a lot of tables for layout. It is my major beef against that CMS (Mambo Open Source). They will go the route of css instead of tables at the next major release (5.Innocent, but that's a few months away.

Daybreak_0 wrote:

When the Doctype is correct, so IE6 which interpretes the box model correctly will also use the 200px and IE5.n which can't read w/idth: will use 170px.

But in in this case I could not see any reason to use the hack at all for IE5.n

Except that MOS also throws in a bit of code that throws IE6 in quirks mode and makes it behave like IE5.n

Thanks, I'll play with that and see what comes up Smile

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If you can not do anything to make it compliant, it does not really matter as there is no borders or padding, for which the hack is required (as far as I can see).

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vavroom wrote:
I'm not using the table because I like it. Sadly, the CMS I'm using currently spits out a lot of tables for layout. It is my major beef against that CMS (Mambo Open Source). They will go the route of css instead of tables at the next major release (5.Innocent, but that's a few months away.

Hi

I know it can't be far away as they are using my template maker to convert it to css and I have seen a sample page already!

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ClevaTreva wrote:
I know it can't be far away as they are using my template maker to convert it to css and I have seen a sample page already!

Cool Smile

I understand that 4.6 will be released to the public in a few weeks, but that the fully xhtml/css/etc compliant version shall be 5.0. While no one on the dev team is willing to actually give a date for that, everyone seems to agree with end of year for a public release. And that'll only be for the Core, I'm hoping that components devs will follow suite soon therearound (that a word???)

In any case, I'm *so* looking forward to that Smile

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Hi

I'm fairly sure the bit I saw was for v5

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ClevaTreva wrote:
I'm fairly sure the bit I saw was for v5

I wouldn't be surprised by it at all. I do believe they have made great progress on v5.0, but according to the forums.mamboserver.com that version is nowhere near to be released even for developpers.

<shrug> No worries, it'll come out when it does, and it'll be good Smile

Gee, I can't wait to be patient :roll:

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