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I got my site looking great in IE 6 and Firefox 1.5.x and now I got an email saying that the menu does not show up on Mac IE. I have no way of testing it (or on Safari, either) - so I was wondering if I could get a hand from the community here - it is valid CSS and XHTML Trans.

CSS Only: (yes, it validates, except for the flash "embed"s)
dentone.net/orly

In case anyone wants to see the "original" site:
http://www.steren.com.mx/orly/home.html

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

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The page displays, but not the logo and the navigation background doesn't appear either. I wouldn't worry about it too much, when i load up the browser msn.com doesn't even display correctly Smile however, you probably just have to switch what you're displaying the background on - any ideas from MAC IE experts?

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Please, it's Mac - not MAC (nearly all PCs have a MAC).

Firstly IE/Mac is officially dead. MS has stopped development for it years ago. And more recently, they no longer even support it (it's too bad, because it had a much better engine than it's PC counterpart). Developers should stop they're support of it too. That said, I'm an avid Mac user and understand that there's still a (relatively) large user base of IE/Mac.

The menu is there, but the text color is the same as the body background and therefor does not show. The problem is the background images not showing. Try eliminating the spaces inside the parenthesis for the background url (in the CSS of course).

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How come, although the rendering engine of IEmac was superior, it

a) had such shocking CSS support,
b) was ditched for their crap new renderer?

Tasman was created with a lot of input from Tantek, so I would have thought it should be great.

The Trident engine is pap, God only knows why they're still using it.

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thepineapplehead wrote:
How come, although the rendering engine of IEmac was superior, it

a) had such shocking CSS support,
b) was ditched for their crap new renderer?

Tasman was created with a lot of input from Tantek, so I would have thought it should be great.

The Trident engine is pap, God only knows why they're still using it.

Actually, TPH, it was the best of it's time - unparalleled. Remember, the latest IE/Mac is 6 years old, having been released in 2000. The project was virtually abandoned just after it's release. It wasn't looked at again until 2003. So, you're comparing a product of significant age to modern browsers. I find it amazing it was able to compete as long as it has. It did this because it had excellent CSS1 support. Better still than that of IE6/PC (even today)! Regarding CSS2, it still had decent support - "not quite as robust as the CSS1 support, IE5/Mac still made good forays into CSS2. Remember the browser was shipped about two years after CSS2 went final, which means it was being written maybe a year after CSS2. That may sound weak, but consider that in addition to fixing all its CSS1 bugs and finishing off CSS1 support, the team found the resources to look at CSS2 and take a stab at doing it right. That's pretty impressive, what with them also having to do all the other stuff a browser has to support besides CSS." [eric meyer quote]
What do you mean in question b? It was ditched - period. By 'their' I assume you mean MS. MS has no new browser for Mac. IE/PC was developed by a completely different team, with origins before that of the MacBU. Why they don't ditch Trident is well beyond me.
IE/Mac had many firsts, some of which you should be particularily interested in TPH - like DOCTYPE switching Wink, text-zoom, png support with alpha transparency, among others.

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Thanks for that, certainly cleared up a lot of questions Laughing out loud

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Remember the browser was shipped about two years after CSS2 went final, which means it was being written maybe a year after CSS2. That may sound weak, but consider that in addition to fixing all its CSS1 bugs and finishing off CSS1 support, the team found the resources to look at CSS2 and take a stab at doing it right.

This is the mentality Microsoft SHOULD have, why on earth they didn't get Tantek et al on board for IE PC is beyond me.

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What do you mean in question b? It was ditched - period. By 'their' I assume you mean MS. MS has no new browser for Mac. IE/PC was developed by a completely different team, with origins before that of the MacBU. Why they don't ditch Trident is well beyond me.

I meant why did MS ditch the Tasman engine and use Trident, but you explained that. If they had a decent engine in 2000, why did they not build on that instead of creating a crap new engine?

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if you make the window smaller your page disintergates losing all form

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I'll try getting rid of the spaces in parens for Mac IE

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if you make the window smaller your page disintergates losing all form

Oh, you're right! Um, well - any ideas?

should I set percentages for both sides?

how do I make the right side be fluid and the left static?

I'll re-post in the proper place if need-be.

Thanks for all the great info - I have learned a ton!

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Ok, I have removed spaces from parens in the css.

Someone with IEmac please check if any improvements have been made...

Thanks!!

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It looks good in IE/Mac now!

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Great!! Thank you for checking!

I am going to start a new thread to get some good ideas about making the page not fail when making the window smaller.

I want a static left column and a fluid right column...

off to make that post...