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ok just wanted some advice and see what everyone thinks, you may need to register, just fill form out easily, otherwise index page is good example and also check out golfer's forum and search form. thanks for your help and advice.

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ok one question

site validation produces problems for my form on the page and that are the only problems. my question is how do i change these 7 errors to work with my doc type!

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ok site re-check, all ready

it's not just the errors, which are easily fixable reading carefully the validation generated report (most of them are tags in the wrong position: you can't put an element in a table without putting it into a tr-td at least and so on), the main problem is the use of deprecated tags (i hope you're not using transitional in order to use those).

my advice is: stick to strict doctype, cut off the deprecated tags, then fix errors.
but before you do that you might want to consider reading about tableless design which is definitively your case.
tables are meant to contain data, not graphics or forms or content, and certainly must be used correctly.

by the way, the form on the left side sneaks into content on opera browser/linux.

a couple of interesting documents:

tableless design:
http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/

site design
http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/how-crap-is-your-site-design

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ok redone

ok all done, i only have 1 error, and that is my form name attribute, but i cannot change that because I am using the javascript below to get that form. I cannot figure out how to retrieve it using id, and have tried implementing getelementbyid but cannot get it to work. so if anyone has any ideas, that would be really appreciated.

josh

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ok site re-check, all ready

hi josh,
there is a problem with this form on both opera and firefox this time, look for yourself:

firefox

opera

for the javascript thing i can't help.

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ok site re-check, all ready

Can't help with your javascript problem but just wanted to point out a couple things:

The white text on the grey background is a bad choice, it makes it pretty unreadable for me let alone someone who has difficulty with their sight!

I think the text and form on the left would benefit from some left padding.

<div class="login">E-Mail Address:&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div class="input"><input type="text" name="Sentry_USERNAME" size="21" /></div>
<div class="login">Password:</div> 
<div class="input"><input type="password" name="Sentry_PASSWORD" size="21" /></div>

In this part I'm puzzled as to why you're using a separate div for each part, you could just separate them with <br/>'s.

Also for the form you can give your input tags id's in your CSS and then give them pixel widths so they are the same throughout all browsers hence preventing problems like the ones shown above by tripleshift.

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divs

ok the validator requires me to contain the input fields into a div or something, and div is the only one that i found the validator to accept.

i have opera and firefox and it doesn't do that for me so i can't figure out what is going on, does it change when useing them in a windows environment compared to linux. I have heard a couple people mentino this, but I have no way of changing it, and then testing it because i cannot even see the problem. anyways io am going to add the pixel width to the ids and will put a padding on the entire left side main page.

As for the colors, i like the grey, so what text color stands out against it? its like a double edged sword, some people have said the opposite to everyone else, i had it black but i just don't know what to do now. maybe i should just go back to all white. Whatever it is, I cannot have it being multicolored since it isn't really a personal site and needs some professionalism. when i had it white and black, everyone was telling me it looked like a newspaper and was boring, so any input on that would be great!

as for the form, i guess i can't fix it right now, so the validator will have to hold until i can found some help on it.

on a seperate note, if anyone knows how to response.write google code in vbscript it would be much appreciated. having issues!

josh

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Re: divs

jyager02 wrote:
ok the validator requires me to contain the input fields into a div or something, and div is the only one that i found the validator to accept.
I'm not familiar with that rule. Check out the example form I have here: http://www.imaginekitty.com/formz/

It validates very well. Smile

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fieldset

ok i changed it back and everyone can try to validate without any containers for the form. it shows up and says there has to be containers.

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Re: fieldset

The fieldset goes inside of the form element, doesn't it?

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fieldset

ok i have changed that form around seriously, the problem is that form is submitted to a authorization company, and i wasn't suppose to change it in the first polace, notice the copyright tags. the filedset is being used there and is in the css to identify part of the coding around the asp which you also can't see. so i need something besides fieldset to wrap the inputs or the form if that does it.

josh

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Div around the entire form instead of one around each input? See if that helps. It seems you are making things way more difficult then it has to be. Smile

If you're not supposed to change the form then it just won't validate. Either try to get the parameters of the job changed or have the person that wrote the form shape up and get with the program. Remind him/her that it is 2006. Wink

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no

no, i mean its ok, i don't think it will matter that much, i have changed it around enough that by this time its ok, but the problem is that some items can't be changed otherwise the ASP coding, of which there is alot alot alot won't work, so in answer right now there are divs around the form, not absolutely around it but there are several containers there, the whole left said below container is div and farther down there are divs within it, also, i have tried diving the form and it still doesnt work. btw, i really am not making it harder than it is, i have spent 5 hours changing options and trying different methods and the only way to make 1 error, that being the form name, was diving it how i did. so how does that create a problem?

any other suggestions?

josh

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ok site re-check, all ready

I think the "name" attribute is fine in XHTML transitional. It is not fine in XHTML strict.

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thats why

and thats the reason i was using transitional, but as you can read above, i was chastized for doing so, so i switched it to strict, but i can't figure out how to adapt!

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ok site re-check, all ready

Maybe use ID instead of NAME.

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tried and failed

yep, i tried it and it didn't work in coding, i have to change my coding to get element by id or something because the language hasn't been able to develope along with html.

josh

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no worries

don't worry about it, i am gonna find help on a coding forum somewhere. thanks

josh