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We are alone. There are no other intelligent developers.

I let myself get into two discussions; one regarding table vs. css layout, and an offshoot regarding accessibility. (Lorraine, stay away—it would be painful.)

I will 'fess up to some pretty cocksure statements. Smile But they're all true.

The table v. css issue:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=65494

The accessibility issue:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=65690

If you want to see'em, you might need to hurry. I think one of the posters I obliquely insulted is a mod. :oops:

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WOW! I can't believe the things some people say (and think).

I noticed you didn't sign cheers on a few posts too...

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I like most your parting shot "Stop being silly" admirably restrained Smile it's most amusing gradually feeling, with each post,, your patience gradually ebbing away, not sure why you waste your energy there though with people who are clearly not concerned and revel in being rank amateurs.

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I hate to get political, but this statement REALLY riled me up:

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Hopefully we can do our best in the US to resist such fascist laws that force our creative works to cater to the squeeky wheels of the world.

Being free includes letting others be free, and those that want to force "accessibility" on the rest of us are taking away our freedoms.

The US can interfere with the politics of any number of foreign countries, but as soon as someone else tries to influence the US, they get labelled a fascist? Evil

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Easy Tyssen, believe me not everyone thinks that way here.

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Yeah, I realise that. It's just that kind of insular view that makes it hard for them to understand why accessibility is important.

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I have to confess that I quoted that line about the fascist rest of the world as it really was a stupid stupid statement for many reasons and that poster really only serves to confirm the opinion of many in the rest of the so called and seemingly irrelevant rest of the world as to US attitude.

I decided to remove the quote though as I know it is not a commonly held view of moderate, intelligent Americans.

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Hugo wrote:
I decided to remove the quote though as I know it is not a commonly held view of moderate, intelligent Americans.

Yeah, call me quick tempered. :?

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Fascist. That's a mighty big word for a 15-year old.

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Tyssen wrote:
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The US can interfere with the politics of any number of foreign countries, but as soon as someone else tries to influence the US, they get labelled a fascist? Evil
Well, with the end of the USSR bugbear, there's no point in calling you a pinko commie sympathizer. Now, is there? Laughing out loud

Wolf & Hugo: In a way, it's fun. While I may get frustrated here on occasion, The respect level for everyone is pretty high. Over there, there are only a very few who've earned a modicum of respect. It's freeing in a way. I don't worry about someone's hurt feelings should they be around the bend in their thinking.

Who knows, maybe I'll bring someone over to the light with my 'holier than thou css agenda'. Laughing out loud

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Hugo wrote:
I decided to remove the quote though as I know it is not a commonly held view of moderate, intelligent Americans.

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I sadly feel that group is diminishing exponentially (I would like to consider myself part of it however).

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I don't worry about someone's hurt feelings should they be around the bend in their thinking.

I noticed you were a little less tactful than you are on here. Wink (Only a little, mind.)

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The US can interfere with the politics of any number of foreign countries, but as soon as someone else tries to influence the US, they get labelled a fascist? Evil
Laughing out loud That guy doesn't know what fascism is, I suppose. Besides the UK isn't fascist, aren't they more like, uh, how do I put this. Uh, socialist?

That was a very stupid statement. I did register over there and probably should reply. Laughing out loud

*edit - I did:

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Here in America you are free to be offensive. You are free to be inaccessible. You are free to not cater to the needs of everyone.

You are also free to go broke when people stop using your business sites and when people stop hiring you for not sticking to industry standards.

It's all up to you. You are free to choose.

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I can understand Gary's notion of fun I'm tempted to sign into a forum of this type just to be able to post without care to how I behave or come across in attitude, liberating! oh wait I already do that here darn it.

Wolf I would say that both the US and UK are desperately overdue for changes in government, moderate intelligent citizens in both countries seem to be diminishing but that is the current intention, in the UK we no longer have a democratic voice and can effect no democratic control over our present government, liberal moderates are not a requirement for the present climate of global control being set in place.

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Besides the UK isn't fascist,
erm, well actually it is and as for being socialist well that would be highly offensive to the original socialist intelligensia who scorn this aberration that calls itself 'Socialist' and which at every turn demonstrates it's totalitarian nature, let us not forget the infamous 'national socialist workers party' that was pretty fascist.

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Fascist, socialist. No matter, just two sides of the same bad penny. They both (and communism) require a dictatorial government.

Tyssen: I am very tactful, here. I thought, under the circumstance, I was tactful there, too. Smile Apparently one lady didn't think so;

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That is the most pompous thing I have read all day and just proves one thing: You are a self-righteous tool.

A tool? Did she call me a tool? I would have gone for troll. Tongue

See Tyssen? I have bags of tact. I never called you a tool.

Triumph: Good posts with good points. Too bad there's no one to listen.

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kk5st wrote:
See Tyssen? I have bags of tact. I never called you a tool.

I hope I haven't given you a reason to. Wink

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Laughing out loud I think you have been banged to rights there Gary 'tool' it's such a wonderfully disparaging term, is it a particularly British one or commonly used?

I still beat you though with my given title of 'Insecure Pompous Moron' and 'insensitive Sissy' never have I been summed up so neatly Smile

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Hugo wrote:
... let us not forget the infamous 'national socialist workers party' that was pretty fascist.
Yes, let's not forget. Let's never let it happen again.

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Curses to you Gary, for posting those links. Evil

I've just spent ages reading those threads, being unable to stop myself through disbelief at how stupid/arogant/backwards/bigotistic (made up word) some people can be. I am gob-smaked that people can even think like that, let alone publicly state such nonsense!

Now I'm just left feeling depressed Crying

Leave me alone please. Leave me to my own cosy little world where everybody has good manners and tries to do right by others; where professionals do their best to stay in touch with the latest 'best practice'; where amateurs try to learn from professionals, not berate them; and where cute little piglets fly among the puffy white clouds :-$

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kk5st wrote:
(Lorraine, stay away—it would be painful.)

Too late - the thread came up on my radar yesterday. I was toying with the idea of joining in, but you got there first. So I thought "I'd better wade-in behind Gary." But Tri got to your corner first. And you were both getting on so well with the regulars Wink

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Then I thought there must be something else I can do in the interests of mankind, so I had a bath Tongue
Is it Sunday already? Wink

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Lorraine wrote:
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Then I thought there must be something else I can do in the interests of mankind, so I had a bath Tongue
I'm sure those closest to you will appreciate your sacrifice. Laughing out loud

It's been quiet, too quiet, over there. I'm tempted to stir thing a bit. They use an anonymous private rep system. I've received a few negatives that amount to no more than name calling.

The puerile approach to debate and general lack of professionalism awakens my own puerile desire to tweak their sensibilities with a sharp stick.

My pride in craft raises my hackles when those attitudes damage the reputation of the craft.

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Oh go on Gary tweak their sensibilities with a sharp stick, please. If nothing else it would afford me much amusement, sourly needed at the moment.

It does one good to give reign to ones inner child once in a while; I know, I do it often.

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Will you have my back?

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If you gave em what-for, I'd register and back you up.

In fact, do it now Laughing out loud

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Not the blindness accessibility stuff. Just the tables/css stuff.

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I'll take point if you like, feel ready for a scrap at the moment, just been watching a programme on TV by disabled people reporting on basic disability access in The UK which despite all of the hard legislation still leaves them wishing that the ordinary person would just demonstrate a little bit of awareness, then maybe we wouldn't have to have legislation or methods of enforcement, what's it take to get across to people the reason a parking bay is labelled 'Disabled Parking Only' . Laws mean nothing , it's peoples attitude that is the problem, as ably demonstrated on that other forum.

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Just done my bit of tweaking :twisted:

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what's it take to get across to people the reason a parking bay is labelled 'Disabled Parking Only' .

Did a bit of tweaking there too, on Tuesday. Public car park - free after 7:30pm - oodles of space. At 8:00pm a bl00dy great brand new Beemer and a huge (2005) Jag parked in disabled spaces - drivers trotted off to a cheffie-type restaurant - £200 a head for plastic food. Soooooo, I phoned the local Traffic Wardens - two parking tickets and 11 for other members of their party who had parked on double yellow lines.

H3ll hath no fury O:)

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Way to go Lorraine. Why if it weren't for disabled parking spots, I'd never get to park close in. Keep'em open for me. Smile

Nice post over there. I gave you a little rep++ before they take it away from me.

I've officially been compared to Hitler!

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"Instead of arguing for your own amateurism and bigotry, why don't you simply remove any barriers you've erected and not sweat being sued?"

I'd rather fight for freedom than give into fascists such as yourself that want to push their ethical/moral/religious beliefs on me.

Hitler thought he was doing good, too.

Live and let live. I don't ask people to go out of their way to accomodate me-- and I don't expect others to FORCE me to do so for them, no matter who they are-- blind, deaf, black, white, foreign, etc. It needs to be MY decision to help others out if they want/need it.
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My work there is almost done Smile

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kk5st wrote:

My work there is almost done Smile

Oh no you don't, you have to wait for some cretin to call you a Naaazee Wink Shouldn't be too long now, tho'.
I'm rather waiting for the blond bombshell (yeah right) VS to come back in. Evil
I gave you and Tri a couple of reps too... but that doesn't mean I wouldn't shop you to the Traffic Wardens Smile

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Lorraine wrote:
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what's it take to get across to people the reason a parking bay is labelled 'Disabled Parking Only' .

Did a bit of tweaking there too, on Tuesday. Public car park - free after 7:30pm - oodles of space. At 8:00pm a bl00dy great brand new Beemer and a huge (2005) Jag parked in disabled spaces - drivers trotted off to a cheffie-type restaurant - £200 a head for plastic food. Soooooo, I phoned the local Traffic Wardens - two parking tickets and 11 for other members of their party who had parked on double yellow lines.

H3ll hath no fury O:)I have a different approach. When I see a non-disabled person pull into a disabled spot I say "I can break your legs for you if you want to be able to use that spot all the time." Wink

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That would be with your Die Hard disguise on then. Don't think I could get away with that... although I may be speaking too soon Shock